Schumer, Feinstein Offer Magazine Ban Amendment

The difference between Mr O and Mitt is this:

The base of the Democratic party, Mr Obamas party is against the private ownership/posession of firearms. These are the people who raise the money, these are the people who Obama cannot T off too bad.

The base of the Republican Party, Mitt's party is all about RTKBA, support for the second amendment and fighting any gun regulations tooth and nail. These are the people Mitt cannot T off to bad once elected.

The only reason Obama has not gone after gun control yet is because it would probably cost his party the Senate and destroy any hopes of retaking the house. If he plays it cool in this election he can have another two years of a Democratic president, Senate and House to do whatever he wants.

I can assure you, if Obama is elected to a second term the first two years of a second Obama term will be filled with anti gun stuff. Moreso if his party controls both the House and Senate.
 
The base of the Democratic party, Mr Obamas party is against the private ownership/posession of firearms. (...) The base of the Republican Party (...) is all about RTKBA, support for the second amendment and fighting any gun regulations tooth and nail.
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That's an oversimplification, and an inaccurate one at that.

There are a great number of Democrats who are quite supportive of the 2nd Amendment. In the 2010 midterms, 58 Democratic House candidates were endorsed by the NRA. Read the amicus briefs in support of the Heller and McDonald cases submitted by members of Congress and look at the party breakdowns of the signatories.

On the other hand, the original Assault Weapons Ban was passed with a great deal of assistance from Republicans. Take a look at the proposed 2008 renewal and tell me what party all the sponsors are from.

I could go on.

This isn't a Red or Blue issue, and we do ourselves a disservice by assuming such.
 
What's mildly interesting is during this federal magazine restriction attempt, Arizona quietly prepares to remove the magazine limits for hunters. No more 2 rounds in the magazine for shotguns, (excluding federally regulated migratory birds), no more 5 rounds for semi autos. Also hunters can carry a second firearm for self defense, bow hunters can pack along something with more authority if they meet cartel members.
They try to tighten while some of the states loosen.
 
Jason Iowa has understood the real situation, not the paranoid, all-or-nothing clamor of the inattentive: Here are some quotes from the website of the most organized, well funded anti-gun organization - the Brady Gun Violence Center- here's the link: http://www.bradycenter.org/reports/bcereports/obamareport:

"The President’s concessions to the “guns anywhere” mentality of the gun lobby and lack of leadership for common-sense gun laws has earned him a grade of “F”.

"President Obama signed legislation letting people carry concealed weapons in national parks and in checked luggage on Amtrak trains, adopted the gun lobby’s empty rhetoric about just “enforcing the laws on the books,” and muzzled Cabinet members who expressed support for stronger gun laws. "

"In addition, the White House voiced no objection to people carrying guns near Presidential events and his White House staff removed statements from the White House website that declared support for gun violence prevention laws."

"In just one year, Barack Obama has signed into law more repeals of federal gun policies than in President George W. Bush’s eight years in office."

"…Administration officials parroted NRA slogans to just “enforce the law on the books,” even though there are few such laws and those are riddled with loopholes. It is no wonder that one pro-gun writer remarked that the NRA “should erect a statue of Barack Obama in front of its D.C. headquarters.”

"…his Administration’s extraordinary silence and passivity has allowed the gun lobby to move its agenda forward…"

"He can show leadership by rejecting the extremist agenda of the NRA, and instead pushing for common sense strategies to prevent gun violence, such as requiring background checks at gun shows, prohibiting gun sales to suspected terrorists, and giving law enforcement the tools it needs to crack down on corrupt dealers and traffickers. "

Now tell me that's all a ruse, a sham to get him reelected.
 
This isn't a Red or Blue issue, and we do ourselves a disservice by assuming such.
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Bingo:

At least two R members of the US house changed their minds and voted for the AWB after appeals from Ronald Reagan, the "gunowners champion": The house minority leader voted for the AWB.

In 2004 the US senate voted to extend the AWB as part of another bill. Ten R senators voted in favor of extending the AWB: Six D senators voted against extending the AWB. The vote became mute when the cover bill was voted down.
 
Uncle Billy, the Parks carry deal cost him no votes and benefitted only a very few people. IOW, innocuous and made him no enemies. The Brady Bunch has little audience, generally.

My understanding is that as both a state senator and as a US senator, he voted in favor of all gun control bills that came up for a vote.

And some internal emails from DOJ to or from BATFE did indeed mention the political capital which could be had from making it look like Evil Dealers and gun shows let Terrible Guns go to Mexico. That's been known for quite some time.

People focus too much on the apparent views of the Main Man, and don't look at the views of appointees such as Holder. Holder's anti-gun views had to be well-known to Obama before the appointment. Easy enough for Obama to be out front making happy noises, while Holder et al work behind the scene. Ancient political game.
 
"There are a great number of Democrats who are quite supportive of the 2nd Amendment..."
Better put, a small minority of democrats support gun rights. Thanks to the mods for cleaning up the Pew Research polling data in the other thread showing that 2/3 democrats and 3/4 of self-described liberals are anti-gun rights. That is just a fact beyond dispute. I know we we are not supposed to look at the facts, but it is a fact that if there were no RHINOs or liberals in the House, Senate or the White House, we would have more gun rights. So lets work with the 1/3 of democrats who are pro-gun and make our world a better place. Nice to have a thread where we can at least discuss the facts. BTW, the RHINOs and democrats have every right to try and supress my rights. In our Republic, votes have consequences.
 
Given the large population of the USA, a 1/3 of a group can be an absolute large number of folks.

Let all pro-gun people work together on that issue. Very simple.
 
We're drifting a bit too far into partisan politics, and we don't want that. Let's stay on the subject of the legislation at hand.
 
It won't pass in the house so any ban would have to be by way of regulation from executive branch. As noted above it just won't get to the president's desk.
 
Magazine Ban

Regardless of whether or not we think this amendment will be passed we as citizens need to write to our legislators and give our opinion. It is our Right and DUTY to make our voices heard by those we elect to represent us. All the Patriots who have made the ultimate sacrifice to secure our rights deserve no less than our active participation in the legislative process. Thank You
 
What Scalia actually said that the reporter parsed in a way calculated to create maximum controversy and thereby draw eyes to the story:

"When asked if that kind of precedent would apply to assault weapons, or 100-round ammunition magazines like those used in the recent Colorado movie theater massacre, Scalia declined to speculate. "We'll see," he said. '"It will have to be decided."

As an originalist scholar, Scalia looks to the text of the Constitution—which confirms the right to bear arms—but also the context of 18th-century history. “They had some limitations on the nature of arms that could be borne," he told host Chris Wallace."

Pretty much the same thing he said in the majority Heller decision.
 
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