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Take a pelvis shot. Very disabling and very fatal due to the large blood vessels and bones. Bigger target, doesn't bob and weave around like someone's head when they are moving. Also the downward angle of your shot is less likely to cause collateral damage if you miss.
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This comes up repeatedly. Most people haven't a clue as to where to attempt to shoot the pelvis for the pistol shot to be disabling. Even if they did know, most haven't a clue as to how to location such internal locations based on the landmarks provided by external clothing.

Hitting the 'pelvis' alone isn't sufficient, especially when the largest part of the pelvis, the ilia or iliac blades are not actually skeletally load-bearing and slower moving handgun rounds may chip, break off an edge, or punch a hole through them without actually causing a locomotor structural failure.

Check out the guy here, for example. http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=363597&highlight=pelvis+shatter

With multiple shots to the pelvic region, the only one that did actual serious bone damage was .223 and it only shattered part of the iliac blade without disrupting the joint or collapsing the girdle.

The pelvic region is a primary alternative target area for a person in body armor, but don't count on hits to the pelvis are to be disabling or fatal.
 
If I could tell he was wearing body armor the best choice, as hard as it may be, would be to lay in wait behind cover, when he got close, pop up and shoot up into his head. Hitting a small moving target, like a head, in the chaos of a crowded theater at any kind of range, would be very close to impossible, would certainly turn his attention towards you and likely get you killed.

If the original shot would be tough, think how hard follow up shots would be while dodging his now incoming rounds directed at you.

Another option would be to stay behind cover until his attention is away from you or he's reloading, whatever, and move. Close the gap and take him out. Risky. Need to pull on the big boy pants, but, if you are going to do something do something hard and follow through.

Both of those options also greatly minimize the threat to the innocents.

We do a two full day active shooter training every two years. Everything about taking on an active shooter sucks. Everything.
 
That was an interesting read.. someone said something about FMJ as i was shooting some 230 gain 45acp today into a old dead cut oak but 100% strong and i mean thick as we found a peice that was maybe 6" thick on edge and it almost didn't stop it as the bullet was stucking out the backside. now the old AP 7.62x54r will go clear threw a live pine tree at the base thats around 2 to 3 foot thick very easy and keep getting it.
 
Actually, the shooter was not wearing body armor. He was wearing a tactical vest. This is a vest with lots of pockets for magazines, but is not body armor. This was verified by the FBI and was misreported by the news media. I can't understand how this happened as the news media knows everything about firearms.

Any type of handgun cartridge could have been capable of taking this guy out. Unfortunately, the audience was filled with law abiding victims.
 
bedbugbilly, i 100% agree with you. practices is the key to being ready in one of these situations. However, i am under no delusion that i can practice for every single type of dangerous situation that presents itself. Still i feel that the fact that i still have three years of college makes it prudent that i accept the possibility of a disgruntled student trying something crazy. i'll get my permit in a year and a half and until then i plan on making myself as proficient as possible with a handgun.
 
I've watched afew videos about body armor being shot with different rounds, yes it will stop a 45acp / 10mm/44mag but that enegy is still transfured to the target which may break a after a 44mag in that area.
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I believe it was Richard Davis of Second Chance who used to shoot himself in the chest point blank with a 44 mag, then turn around and shoot bowling pins. You can probably find the videos on you tube. I believe they also did one with a .308. Here's one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIhyETXW1u0
 
On that note, there's only case I know of where an armed citizen was killed by a bad guy who wasn't stopped due to body armor. And the bad guy was hit in the vest with a 45 acp.
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If it's the same one I'm thinking of, (Wilson/Arroyo), reports at the time were that Wilson hit the bad guy (Arroyo) more than once. Arroyo was not disabled at all and killed Wilson while he was reloading. He was later killed by a police officer who was using a rifle.
I believe it was Richard Davis of Second Chance who used to shoot himself in the chest point blank with a 44 mag, then turn around and shoot bowling pins.
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While these videos are excellent proof that the impact of a bullet won't knock a person down, they aren't good evidence of the kind of injury produced by shooting a person who is wearing a bullet proof vest. Davis generally put some sort of additional padding under his vest when doing these demonstrations to avoid getting black & blue.
 
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