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School Board shooting
- Thread starter Gbro
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I live just north of Panama City...
This link is to an 'unedited' video from the local station WMBB
It ends when the BG fires the second shot.
http://www.viddler.com/explore/wmbbvideo/videos/3476/
I watched the video several times- I think the board members were trying to keep him talking until the police arrived. I don't think there was any reasoning with this man...he seemed to be in his own world...
This was from his facebook page:
http://www2.jcfloridan.com/news/201...gunman-had-dec-14-marked-calendar-ar-1227291/
This link is to an 'unedited' video from the local station WMBB
It ends when the BG fires the second shot.
http://www.viddler.com/explore/wmbbvideo/videos/3476/
I watched the video several times- I think the board members were trying to keep him talking until the police arrived. I don't think there was any reasoning with this man...he seemed to be in his own world...
This was from his facebook page:
From this link:“My testament: Some people (the government sponsored media) will say I was evil, a monster (V) ... no ... I was just born poor in a country where the Wealthy manipulate, use, abuse, and economically enslave 95 percent of the population. Rich Republicans, Rich Democrats ... same-same ... rich ... they take turns fleecing us ... our few dollars ... pyramiding the wealth for themselves.”
http://www2.jcfloridan.com/news/201...gunman-had-dec-14-marked-calendar-ar-1227291/
Dust Monkey
New member
What kind of gun was the scum bag using? Video and stills are to grainy. I thought it was a glock, but one vid cap, I think, shows a pistol with a hammer.
BILLtheDJguy
Moderator
There will be a ton of "information" that will come to light in the following days and weeks. It will be up to the general public to sift through it all, and try to understand it.
The big question is, barring the obvious security measures, what legitimate effect will this incident have on things like, policy, board expenditures and terminations, to name a few...
The big question is, barring the obvious security measures, what legitimate effect will this incident have on things like, policy, board expenditures and terminations, to name a few...
It is obvious that some people will cry for a bigger sign that firearms are not allowed. I would like to know what type pistol and caliber the security guard was using. Also what brand of ammo etc. The act is already over and an educational use of the situation should be the benefit. For such an "open" society and all the B.S. about reporting the news this stopping showing the full vidio smacks:barf: of selective censorship. I've read were the security guard was worried about shooting the man in the back,isn't that sad he was worried about it. Once the perp had brandished the weapon he should be fair game.If you fight fair you will loose. Sad we are now afraid of defending ourselves and others and have to worry about "shooting the perp in the back". The securty guard is a hero in my opinion. Spad
True about the back deal. I find that hard to believe he was really worried about that. By the time the security guard fired, hadn't the perp already started firing? I agree with you though.... gun in hand, get him anyway you can.
Kind of like the Personal Defense show I was watching on one of the cable channels. They were showing how to defend a home invasion. In their "acting" out the senario, the guy acting as the homeowner says "hey, put down the gun" before he shoots the bad guy. I would ask, do you really think a homeowner would be frowned on for "not" saying that or something to that effect? I understand you want to yell that stuff in a public shooting situation so that witnesses will hear your attempts to stop the threat before using lethal force. But if a person is in your home, is it really wise from a tactical point of view to say ANYTHING to the bad guy before you take him out? You do that IMO and you're only lowering yours and your families chances of survival by informing him of where you are. My thoughts are that once a bad guy enters my home, it will be assumed he's there to kill me and my family, with his own weapon, one of mine in the house or his own two hands and he'll be taken out by any means available.
Kind of like the Personal Defense show I was watching on one of the cable channels. They were showing how to defend a home invasion. In their "acting" out the senario, the guy acting as the homeowner says "hey, put down the gun" before he shoots the bad guy. I would ask, do you really think a homeowner would be frowned on for "not" saying that or something to that effect? I understand you want to yell that stuff in a public shooting situation so that witnesses will hear your attempts to stop the threat before using lethal force. But if a person is in your home, is it really wise from a tactical point of view to say ANYTHING to the bad guy before you take him out? You do that IMO and you're only lowering yours and your families chances of survival by informing him of where you are. My thoughts are that once a bad guy enters my home, it will be assumed he's there to kill me and my family, with his own weapon, one of mine in the house or his own two hands and he'll be taken out by any means available.
WANT A LCR 22LR
New member
A few things.
A more effective wepon for the purse lady would be a fire extinguisher. The powder type makes a good blinding spray and offers a striking tool better than a purse.
The security guard has a difficult shot being the hostages are behind the target. I think hitting the shooter in the leg was a good call if that was his intent.
The camera guy would have had the best line of sight to shoot. ( if it was a actual onsite camera operator rather than a remote control in the booth. )
As for saying those on the ground acted badly and just sat there. I'd sugest that in a out of course event, it takes time to process what is going on. Also we have the bennefit of seeing the events unfold time and time again without a direct threat to us. A gun web site really needs to generate a real time threat and responce test, I doubt many of us would do the best thing, and that is with knowing something is going to happen.
And, if guns didn't exist, he would have used a knife , battery acid , poison gas or any number of things.
A more effective wepon for the purse lady would be a fire extinguisher. The powder type makes a good blinding spray and offers a striking tool better than a purse.
The security guard has a difficult shot being the hostages are behind the target. I think hitting the shooter in the leg was a good call if that was his intent.
The camera guy would have had the best line of sight to shoot. ( if it was a actual onsite camera operator rather than a remote control in the booth. )
As for saying those on the ground acted badly and just sat there. I'd sugest that in a out of course event, it takes time to process what is going on. Also we have the bennefit of seeing the events unfold time and time again without a direct threat to us. A gun web site really needs to generate a real time threat and responce test, I doubt many of us would do the best thing, and that is with knowing something is going to happen.
And, if guns didn't exist, he would have used a knife , battery acid , poison gas or any number of things.
Husfelt, and possibly the others, thought the gun was loaded with blanks. When the shooting stops on the video, he can be heard admonishing the security guard:NOT A SINGLE ONE of them even budged, when she swung at him
He had caps, Mike. That's what he wanted right there, Mike. That's why I was trying to talk to him: I knew.
Nice way to lay a guilt trip on the guard. It's also an assumption that could have gotten Husfelt and others killed.
it sounds like the security guard did exactly as he was supposed to do...monitor the situation and wait until the real cops arrived and only to intervene if the situation went south.
I think you're right. Security guards are given very little latitude in how and when they can act. By the standards of many I've seen, this guy was pretty committed.
It's also likely that he was not equipped and trained to deal with an active shooter. Only recently has that sort of thing been made a priority in mainstream law-enforcement.
Finally have had time to really look at this video.
That woman could have disarmed him -- easily! -- if she had simply known how to do it. She plainly had the guts, was obviously in position, and he was definitely adequately distracted and paying no attention whatsoever to her as she came up behind him. In fact, looking at what she chose to do with the purse, I believe that's exactly what she was trying to do: she was trying to knock the gun out of the guy's hand.
Sad. Very, very sad.
I firmly believe that if she'd had just 15 minutes of competent instruction in a very simple disarm technique, she could have done it.
pax
That woman could have disarmed him -- easily! -- if she had simply known how to do it. She plainly had the guts, was obviously in position, and he was definitely adequately distracted and paying no attention whatsoever to her as she came up behind him. In fact, looking at what she chose to do with the purse, I believe that's exactly what she was trying to do: she was trying to knock the gun out of the guy's hand.
Sad. Very, very sad.
I firmly believe that if she'd had just 15 minutes of competent instruction in a very simple disarm technique, she could have done it.
pax
Also (and here my personal prejudices will show somewhat) I don't think any male in the room, and certainly none of the male school board members, could have done what that woman did or gotten into position to do it safely -- because the perpetrator wasn't focused on the women or worried about them. Watch the body language.
pax
pax
Motownstan
New member
When did it become acceptable for the media to distort, misrepresent, speculate, outright lie, just to be the first to air a "breaking news" story?
Probably with the advent of the printing press. I see no reason to believe more than 1% of what is billed as "News" today. TV news (any channel) is unwatchable and total farce.
This was just a mess.
The assailant was clearly dealing badly with what life had thrown him.
Once he's presented himself as a deadly threat to any other person he's placed himself in a situation where he must immediately be dealt with without being asked.
I just wonder if any of this would have happened if the guy was'nt so proud that he would'nt go down to the unemployment office as see if they could get some help.
Once you pick up a gun to go after someone,your life has truly gone to ----.
That's a country fellow running into a freight train of very bad luck and dealing with it in the worst way.
I am glad he did'nt kill anyone and I wish he'd have been able to get some help somewhere.
The assailant was clearly dealing badly with what life had thrown him.
Once he's presented himself as a deadly threat to any other person he's placed himself in a situation where he must immediately be dealt with without being asked.
I just wonder if any of this would have happened if the guy was'nt so proud that he would'nt go down to the unemployment office as see if they could get some help.
Once you pick up a gun to go after someone,your life has truly gone to ----.
That's a country fellow running into a freight train of very bad luck and dealing with it in the worst way.
I am glad he did'nt kill anyone and I wish he'd have been able to get some help somewhere.
BILLtheDJguy
Moderator
if the guy was'nt so proud that he would'nt go down to the unemployment office as see if they could get some help
I read somewhere that their UC payments had already ran out....
A more effective wepon for the purse lady would be a fire extinguisher. The powder type makes a good blinding spray and offers a striking tool better than a purse.
No, a more effective weapon for her would have been just a tiny little bit of knowledge. A brief 15-minute lesson (honestly, maybe as little as 5 minutes) in how to do a basic disarm would have done it.
Also, she wasn't the only one who could have done it. Any female on that side of the room could easily have managed it. The red shirt school board guy was also close enough and might have managed it too if he'd known what to do, but I don't think he could ever have developed the mindset to try -- he's just too plain stupid.
And the obvious sexism of the bad guy worked in the woman's favor, setting her up to whack him with her purse and setting her up even better for a very simple, effective disarm she could easily have managed with her bare hands.
pax
Double Naught Spy
New member
No, a more effective weapon for her would have been just a tiny little bit of knowledge. A brief 15-minute lesson (honestly, maybe as little as 5 minutes) in how to do a basic disarm would have done it.
You are right, of course, but the issue is a bit more complicated than that.
Many situations lend themselves to fairly simple defensive moves. All that is necessary is that the person who needs to perform the moves to have the knowledge and training to recognize the situation for what it is, evaluate the threat, determine the proper course of action, perform the action effectively in a timely manner.
A slightly different situation would likely require a different defensive action. So how much training and practice would be necessary for the average individual to be in a defensive situation and to have the right skill set for the situation? There are a lot of potential situations and a variety of potential manners of resolution. Just how many times has the woman with the purse been in a situation where she needed to disarm a pistol toting gunman?
A person skilled in self defense will see the school board shooting as having a variety of fairly simple solutions to stop the threat for a person with the right skill set and tools. The problem is that many of the folks with the defensive skillsets to handle these situations aren't school board members and the few that may be, aren't necessarily school board members where violence has happened while they were serving.
While only one skill might have been needed by Ginger Littleton to disarm Clay Duke, she would have needed many more to handle whatever might happen in a given day...and that is just for self defense crises. Ginger also needs all sorts of other multitudes of skillsets to handle other potential crises as well.
To a professional, the disarm looks easy, and it probably would be.
Of course, a self defense professional might not be prepared to step up and to effectively handle the types of crisis Littleton has to handle as a school board member. Simple administrative decisions could and have been botched by folks who don't understand the basics of administration, though the answers look easy to someone in that field.