OhioLS - very similar to what I'd discussed about KCShooter's post. Money clip or wallet is used as a distraction whilst you draw. I'd envisioned him standing at or near the table with no downrange liabilities behind him and firing upwards from a seated position and moving after the 2nd rapid shot. Your tactic reverses it.
Lurper - I typically try to sit close to doors in restaurants for this very reason - to exit if something goes sour (being unarmed in CA is the major part of it). If the BG is preoccupied with sticking-up the cashier(s) and controlling the cooking staff, he hardly has much time to watch people leaving quietly out the far door. If his situational awareness is that good, then scratch your response of line up the sights c.o.m. and fire until the threat is removed too.
As a side note, I'm not advocating that everyone flee out the door. It is one option that can be used. If you remain, you certainly put yourself in extreme danger. I'd rather engage the BG outdoors if I have to, than in the close confines of a crowded eatery where I have no real cover.
In such a situation where it's obvious that he is illegally using a weapon to threaten lives, no warning need be given (in most states AFAIK) before you neutralize him. Doing so only introduces more variables (will he surrender? Shoot the cashier? Turn & Fire? Try to run?) to the situation making it harder to control. Hitting him before he can react puts him at a serious disadvantage.
I used to think that it was "only fair" to give the person a chance to stop, however if they have a gun or someone is in real immediate danger, the BG gets no warning -- he has already displayed his contempt of our laws and is willing to violate the most sacred of them against committing murder.
Lurper - I typically try to sit close to doors in restaurants for this very reason - to exit if something goes sour (being unarmed in CA is the major part of it). If the BG is preoccupied with sticking-up the cashier(s) and controlling the cooking staff, he hardly has much time to watch people leaving quietly out the far door. If his situational awareness is that good, then scratch your response of line up the sights c.o.m. and fire until the threat is removed too.
As a side note, I'm not advocating that everyone flee out the door. It is one option that can be used. If you remain, you certainly put yourself in extreme danger. I'd rather engage the BG outdoors if I have to, than in the close confines of a crowded eatery where I have no real cover.
Congratulations, you're a certified "Good Guy". You have a sense of fair play and justice, which is a good thing. The down side is that this is real life and too many unpredictable thing can happen. We do not have scriptwriters to make a happy ending. A suspect can whip around and fire a weapon in about 0.7 seconds which is faster than most of us can react.Revance said:I think I would have a very difficult time shooting someone in the back without giving them the opportunity to drop their weapon.
In such a situation where it's obvious that he is illegally using a weapon to threaten lives, no warning need be given (in most states AFAIK) before you neutralize him. Doing so only introduces more variables (will he surrender? Shoot the cashier? Turn & Fire? Try to run?) to the situation making it harder to control. Hitting him before he can react puts him at a serious disadvantage.
I used to think that it was "only fair" to give the person a chance to stop, however if they have a gun or someone is in real immediate danger, the BG gets no warning -- he has already displayed his contempt of our laws and is willing to violate the most sacred of them against committing murder.