Say one of your guns....uh...died....and..uh
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Brett Bellmore
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RAE: If you're really paranoid, get TWO sizes of pvc pipe, and "double bag" it; Yes, stick it underground, and some time before the sun goes out it will get wet; Might easily be ten or twenty thousand years from now, with even a moderate effort at protecting the dearly beloved.
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Sic semper tyrannis!
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Sic semper tyrannis!
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Brett,
Even a double bag means you are still putting something inside in an atmosphere that is at least 11% water vapor(Given what is, I believe, the lowest level of humidity common to the US. Where I live in Ohio, that would be more like 60% to high 80% water vapor). Double bag it and pressurize it with an inert gas, and maybe it would work. Otherwise, as so many have found out, water water really IS everywhere. Also, remember that the air inside will eventually esscape, and there has to be something to replace it. There are several links on the net about people that have tried PVC for undergound storage and time capsuals(sp). They are more often than not rewarded with a wet pile of glop and/or rust after as short a time as 6 months. Depending on the groundwater and frost line, the time is going to vary. And of course the soil is going to play a large part also as far as how much actual pressure can be exerted.
hehehehe, ya know the irony of this? That German guy HelgeS could explain it a whole lot better than me. If I remember he was some self appointed go of physics right? heheh. HAHAHA! This would be right up his alley too? A chance to show off what he knows,hehehe! I love it!! Gawd, he couldn't help himself either,hehehe, HAHAHAHAHA. ROTFLMAO!! BWAHAHHHAAHHHAHA!!! Can you imagine it? Man that would be priceless!! Maybe somebody should invite him back to help solve a physics problem.
Even a double bag means you are still putting something inside in an atmosphere that is at least 11% water vapor(Given what is, I believe, the lowest level of humidity common to the US. Where I live in Ohio, that would be more like 60% to high 80% water vapor). Double bag it and pressurize it with an inert gas, and maybe it would work. Otherwise, as so many have found out, water water really IS everywhere. Also, remember that the air inside will eventually esscape, and there has to be something to replace it. There are several links on the net about people that have tried PVC for undergound storage and time capsuals(sp). They are more often than not rewarded with a wet pile of glop and/or rust after as short a time as 6 months. Depending on the groundwater and frost line, the time is going to vary. And of course the soil is going to play a large part also as far as how much actual pressure can be exerted.
hehehehe, ya know the irony of this? That German guy HelgeS could explain it a whole lot better than me. If I remember he was some self appointed go of physics right? heheh. HAHAHA! This would be right up his alley too? A chance to show off what he knows,hehehe! I love it!! Gawd, he couldn't help himself either,hehehe, HAHAHAHAHA. ROTFLMAO!! BWAHAHHHAAHHHAHA!!! Can you imagine it? Man that would be priceless!! Maybe somebody should invite him back to help solve a physics problem.
SnakeLover
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You may want to check out this sight. They describe how to put together a "casket", as well as give it a proper "burial".
http://members.aol.com/norustbags/cache.html
Snake
http://members.aol.com/norustbags/cache.html
Snake
I once worked with a gentleman who had been in the oil fields across the world who said that he had seen more problems caused from rust than over-use.
He died at age 88, still on the job and doing better work than most guys 50 years his junior.
So, if your dearly beloved ever feels threatened enough to consider going into a suspended animation mode that's probably the time that a good work out program might be necessary.
RKBA!
He died at age 88, still on the job and doing better work than most guys 50 years his junior.
So, if your dearly beloved ever feels threatened enough to consider going into a suspended animation mode that's probably the time that a good work out program might be necessary.
RKBA!
schlickenmeyer
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There is an advangage to automotive grase vs. gun grease. You don't need solvent handy to get the auto grease off. Just rags and such. Use the Double technique, and put silica paks in the bag..
Juan Hunt Greer
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I have actually had the experience of 2 pistols being being buried in damp soil for almost 5 years triple-bagged in ziplocs they had been sprayed down thorougly with lps-3, inside and out three times at 24 hour intervals, then bagged with a 1 ounce bag of silica gel. When retrieved, I pushed a patch down each bore and the browning cycled perfectly, the H-S mod B 22 needed to have th underside of the slide wiped. For planned storage, pvc is better. make sure you glue the bottom joint, and instead of a thread joint, I prefer a slip joint cap upper also, sealed with a full fillet of dow silicone. DON'T FORGET THE LPS-3!!! it is far and away the best product for this! Never mind that it smells so sweet that it should draw ants, but doesn't.
crankshaft
paranoia is a DAM good thing to have when they actually are out to get You!!!
crankshaft
paranoia is a DAM good thing to have when they actually are out to get You!!!
An old navy trick...
that works quite well...
leave your piece out in the hot sun until it is at least 100 degrees. Wipe it of making sure to get all oil off of it.
Get some good paste wax. Auto paste wax. I know it sounds kooky but bear with me.
Put a coat of wax on every single part of that gun. Let it dry .Then do it again. Make sure you take a patch and coat the inside of the barrel and action also. Wipe it off , and polish it being sure that the wax gets in the pores of the gun. Then stash it in your tube.
If you need to "resurrect" your piece in a quick manner, you will not have to mess with cleaning it before it'll shoot. This simple trick has been used by the insurgents in Central America for years. It is simple , but effective.
For you gents that have trouble keeping rust off of your guns in a safe...
try it..you wont have to worry about rust anymore.
that works quite well...
leave your piece out in the hot sun until it is at least 100 degrees. Wipe it of making sure to get all oil off of it.
Get some good paste wax. Auto paste wax. I know it sounds kooky but bear with me.
Put a coat of wax on every single part of that gun. Let it dry .Then do it again. Make sure you take a patch and coat the inside of the barrel and action also. Wipe it off , and polish it being sure that the wax gets in the pores of the gun. Then stash it in your tube.
If you need to "resurrect" your piece in a quick manner, you will not have to mess with cleaning it before it'll shoot. This simple trick has been used by the insurgents in Central America for years. It is simple , but effective.
For you gents that have trouble keeping rust off of your guns in a safe...
try it..you wont have to worry about rust anymore.
Get one of those El Cheapo vacuum food sealers that they advertise on late-night infomercials. Wipe the deceased down well with a water displacing oil, place a silica gel packet in the magazine well, and seal away.
The deceased can be laid to rest as is, or placed in a PVC casket for that extra protection.
LawDog
The deceased can be laid to rest as is, or placed in a PVC casket for that extra protection.
LawDog
1) Bury the dearly departed where you will have some REAL and unchangeable landmarks available. Remember that the Russians would come into upstart villages, and completely bulldoze them. That guaranteed that anything that the peasants had buried wouldn't be locatable, since it turned the village into one featureless area - essentially a parking lot.
2) Your dearly departed will be happiest if located near or in a large deposit of ferrous metals... That way, if a graverobber shows up with a metal detector, your former friend won't stand out...
Take all the wood off, coat the sucker in heavy grease, and throw in some fresh dessicant.
2) Your dearly departed will be happiest if located near or in a large deposit of ferrous metals... That way, if a graverobber shows up with a metal detector, your former friend won't stand out...
Take all the wood off, coat the sucker in heavy grease, and throw in some fresh dessicant.
psssst....
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[This message has been edited by dZ (edited August 21, 2000).]
[This message has been edited by dZ (edited August 21, 2000).]
HOW TO BURY YOUR GOODS
The Complete Manual of Long Term Underground Storage
by eddie the wire
This is a hardcore book for hardcore individualists who don't trust banks, or
anybody else, for that matter. It tells you in step-by-step detail how to bury any
valuables or contraband you might wish to store and conceal, and how to defeat
searchers who might try to find your caches.
Contents include:
What do you have to hide?
When to bury it so you won't be seen
Where to bury it so it can't be found
How to beat metal detectors
How to outfox search teams
Information security
How to retrieve your burial containers
Protecting against moisture
Burial containers: Built and bought
How to pack burial containers -- and where to get them
How to bury it without leaving telltale traces
And more, including source listings for Cosmoline and other hard-to-find
items.
How To Bury Your Goods is the single finest book ever written on methods of
long term underground storage. Bury it now and dig it deep!
1987, 5* x 8*, 72 pp, illustrated, soft cover.
Price: $ 8.00
(ORDER NUMBER 10049) HOW TO BURY YOUR GOODS
[This message has been edited by dZ (edited August 21, 2000).]
[This message has been edited by dZ (edited August 21, 2000).]
Not long ago I happened to be talking to a now-retired officer who was speaking about such, er, burial processes that he had run across while a, er, cultural attache' in Afganistan during their brief partnership with their Soviet neighbors.
Essentially, the fundamentalist position - after the Imams had consulted the proper sacred texts, of course - was that a long gun should be buried muzzle down in a waterproof container after being wiped with a good heavy grease. Take off the buttplate so grave robbers will have a harder time with their metal detectors.
As part of the burial ceremony, the pallbearers scattered hundreds and thousands of small metal particles and bits around the grave, to further confuse the graver robbers and their detectors.
Handguns were buried in the walls of the temple, so the choirboys and other attendants could be nearer their source of salvation.
Heavier articles of devotion were taken unto the hills, whence cometh all understanding and retribution.
Ken Strayhorn
Hillsborough NC
Essentially, the fundamentalist position - after the Imams had consulted the proper sacred texts, of course - was that a long gun should be buried muzzle down in a waterproof container after being wiped with a good heavy grease. Take off the buttplate so grave robbers will have a harder time with their metal detectors.
As part of the burial ceremony, the pallbearers scattered hundreds and thousands of small metal particles and bits around the grave, to further confuse the graver robbers and their detectors.
Handguns were buried in the walls of the temple, so the choirboys and other attendants could be nearer their source of salvation.
Heavier articles of devotion were taken unto the hills, whence cometh all understanding and retribution.
Ken Strayhorn
Hillsborough NC
Dennis Olson
New member
If using PVC, I would recommend that BOTH ends be glued. Then, cut one end off. Guaranteed waterproof. Also, there are things called "oxygen absorbers", that look like dessicant packs, but absorb all the O2 out of an enclosed container.
No oxygen, no rust. Extra packets are kept in a Mason jar. Historically used for long-term food storage.
No oxygen, no rust. Extra packets are kept in a Mason jar. Historically used for long-term food storage.
six 4 sure
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If one of my beloved, was to pass on before its time. I fell a more memerable departure would be in order.
I would feel the need to hand craft a sea worthy vessal, preferbaly from a tree inhabited with a spotted owl. Soak said vessal with a flammable liquid, and send it on its first and final voyage.
Once the vessal is on its way, I would ignite it a flaming arrow, and watch it as it bacame one with the earth again.
While burning I would pay it homage chanting
Lo there do I see my father
Lo there do I see my mother and my sisters and my brothers
Lo there do I see the light of my people back to the begining
Lo they do call to me
They bid me take my place among them
In the halls of Valhalla where the brave may live FOREVER!
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Now here we have the mining man, in either hand a gun.
He is not afraid of anything, and he's never know a run,
He dearly loves his whiskey, and he dearly loves his beer.
He's a shooting, fighting, dynamiting, mining engineer.
I would feel the need to hand craft a sea worthy vessal, preferbaly from a tree inhabited with a spotted owl. Soak said vessal with a flammable liquid, and send it on its first and final voyage.
Once the vessal is on its way, I would ignite it a flaming arrow, and watch it as it bacame one with the earth again.
While burning I would pay it homage chanting
Lo there do I see my father
Lo there do I see my mother and my sisters and my brothers
Lo there do I see the light of my people back to the begining
Lo they do call to me
They bid me take my place among them
In the halls of Valhalla where the brave may live FOREVER!
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Now here we have the mining man, in either hand a gun.
He is not afraid of anything, and he's never know a run,
He dearly loves his whiskey, and he dearly loves his beer.
He's a shooting, fighting, dynamiting, mining engineer.