sawed off shotgun

Well obviously this would be a lot harder to do with the double barrel you are looking at, but you certainly could do it.
The reason it would be harder is just simply the availability of the extra stock. That is the beauty of something like the Remington 870. You can get anything you want for it already made, anywhere. You can get stocks of all descriptions, pistol grips, as well as short barrels. But, I can see why it would be cool to have the double gun. It is a lot more interesting and unusual.

I got my Browning Auto 5 done after seeing pictures of Bonnie & Clyde with their Auto 5s cut off.
The story of my gun is kind of amusing. The gun that lived across the street from me was out in the desert shooting. They see a cardboard box of the type that you get from UHaul to put your clothes in when you move. So, they start shooting at it. AFTER they get tired of shooting at it, they decided to see what was inside. Inside was this Browning Auto 5. They had hit the barrel and dented it badly and grazed the stock several times. So, the barrel was no good anyway so this guy cut it off to 18". I bought it from him for $100 and sent it to Tornado Tech (after getting the tax stamp) and had him cut it off to 13" (as short as the magazine tube) and thread it for screw in chokes. The barrel actually came out shorter than the magazine tube. Now I need to get the stock cut off to 12" and have a recoil pad installed.
It also needs a rear ghost ring sight. I originally asked to have the bead put back on but they told me that there wasn't enough metal left after cutting it off and threaded it for the chokes. So, he put a glue-on front sight on it. Great big tall front sight. So, now I guess I ought to put a ghost ring rear sight on it to go with the front sight.
 
By the way:
Here is a download that anyone interested in this subject should have. It is the ATF National Firearms Act Handbook. This answers all the questions that have been asked in this thread. After thinking about it I realized how stupid it was for me to not just look up the answers to the questions you had. Manufacturing by non-licensed individuals is covereds as well as AOWs and all that.
http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/nfa/nfa_handbook/index.htm

It is written in clear, easy to understand language so you don't need to be a lawyer to understand all of it.
 
good to know,

In my search for more information I ended up finding a company that specializes in this sort of thing. They currently make coach guns like the one I've been talking about in a few different models. They also make tommy gun replicas and all sorts of other fun stuff like that.

does anybody know anything about this company?

http://www.hatchergun.com/sbs.htm

Although I do enjoy a good project, and It would be much cooler, in my opinion, to be able to tell people that I made it myself. Then it would actually be a one of a kind gun.
 
I'm also not a lawyer, but the way I understand it is that you just need approval from the local sheriff and the tax stamp
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You only need CLEO approval if you register the class III to you. I would (had to in my case) form a trust. With a trust you do not need a CLEO signature and when you die the items in the trust transfer to your beneficiary without them having to pay an additional $200 each and having to go through all of the paper work bs again.

Even to 18"(legal length)
You would still be in possession of an illegal firearm. No front sight, no choke.
Sawed off is Sawed off according to the penal code.
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If the judges in Kalifornia didn’t golf they would ban the clubs. It’s good not to live there. The DOJ has no problem with this as long as you are legal, that means paper work or 18".
 
SBS legality

i have a question concerning short barrel shotguns. would i need a class 2 ffl to legally modify a shotgun to a sawnoff? is there still a limit to how many rounds it can carry? i'm interested in purchasing a Sentinel Arms Striker 12 destructive device, a.k.a. "streetsweeper", from www.impactguns.com for 1,499.99. this weapon has a drum magazine and appears to hold at least 30 rounds. there is a disclaimer that says the weapon is available for civilian ownership and that all NFA rules apply. my final question is, if i modify my own shotgun, is there an advantage to leaving it with a full choke, or should i use an improved or modified, and, if so, would it be possible to machine the barrel for interchangeable chokes? any and all answers and info would be helpful, thanks
 
"i have a question concerning short barrel shotguns. would i need a class 2 ffl to legally modify a shotgun to a sawnoff? NO is there still a limit to how many rounds it can carry? NOi'm interested in purchasing a Sentinel Arms Striker 12 destructive device, a.k.a. "streetsweeper", from www.impactguns.com for 1,499.99. this weapon has a drum magazine and appears to hold at least 30 rounds. there is a disclaimer that says the weapon is available for civilian ownership and that all NFA rules apply. my final question is, if i modify my own shotgun, is there an advantage to leaving it with a full choke, or should i use an improved or modified, and, if so, would it be possible to machine the barrel for interchangeable chokes? YES any and all answers and info would be helpful, thanks"

You would have also gotten extra credit for capitalizing words correctly.




I have a question on this "Streetsweeper". Originally it was NOT an NFA weapon. One day, ATF decided that it was now an AOW and required it's owners to register it as such. I don't know what the original barrel length was, but it was obviously long enough to not require a tax stamp. So, now it's 2008 and you buy a "Streetsweeper" along with the AOW tax stamp. What if you want to cut the barrel off to 12" (or whatever) ?
I would assume it would now have to be registered as a SBS since it has a stock and the barrel is 12" (or whatever). But, how do you handle the fact that it is already in the NFA registry as an AOW ?
 
Here is everything you ever wanted to know about building or buying an SBS (Short Barrelled Shotgun)
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=80131

Here is a picture of mine, taken with crappy light.


12.5" barrel

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That hatcher site, even sells a holster for a SxS.




I believe the STREETSWEEPER was classified as a Destructive Device, because it has a bore over .500" and serves no sporting purpose.

I've read that there is a .410 version that was never reclassified.
 
I don't know, you may be right. Afterall, none of these firearms laws make any sense to me. You would think that if the bore diameter was an issue then the bore diameter of every other 12 guage shotgun in the country would be an isssue. But again, this stuff doesn't really have to be logical for it to be a law. In fact, the opposite is more often the case.
 
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I know there only 2 legal SBS here in Cali, 410 ga. :barf: It's tough to get anything good here. Especially a license. Too many state and local laws. But I don't expect you to know about that. Besides, if you can't hit your target with a modified choke, A sawed barrel won't help. Unless you just can't shoot or enjoy killing innocent bystanders. If you are worried about confined spaces, Use a handgun.
 
To my knowledge, shortening a shotgun barrel (within limits) is not illegal anywhere. It's simple gunsmithing. There is no law that says the gun must have a sight.
But nothing would surprise me in California.
 
Bill

You are correct, no requirement for cutting barrels to legal minimums. No requirement for front sight. Make sure that we meet overall minimum and barrel minimum, and its OK

Good Luck & Be Safe
 
I have a question on this "Streetsweeper". Originally it was NOT an NFA weapon. One day, ATF decided that it was now an AOW and required it's owners to register it as such. I don't know what the original barrel length was, but it was obviously long enough to not require a tax stamp. So, now it's 2008 and you buy a "Streetsweeper" along with the AOW tax stamp. What if you want to cut the barrel off to 12" (or whatever) ?
I would assume it would now have to be registered as a SBS since it has a stock and the barrel is 12" (or whatever). But, how do you handle the fact that it is already in the NFA registry as an AOW ?
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The Streetsweeper is registered as a Destructive Device (DD), not an AOW. The barrel can be whatever length you desire.
 
Thanks:
A little wrinkle I never thought of.

FWIW: I don't own one and have no desire to own one, but that question stumped me.
 
Remember Ruby Ridge!

dr.j said:
I really want a sawed off shotgun...
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Sawed-Off Shotgun -- Remember Ruby Ridge!
If you don't remember, or are too young... The 1992 Ruby Ridge Massacre of the Randy Weaver family is one of the most controversial and widely discussed examples of the abuse of federal power. This case began after Randy Weaver was entrapped, as an Idaho jury concluded, by an undercover Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms agent to sell him sawed-off shotguns.

You definitely don't want to make any mistakes in the paperwork. You may really want a sawed-off shotgun, but do you really want your name in the fed's computer? If I'm not mistaken, submitting sawed-off shotgun paperwork is probable cause for law enforcement to drop by for a visit at any time.
 
"If I'm not mistaken, submitting sawed-off shotgun paperwork is probable cause for law enforcement to drop by for a visit at any time."

You are mistaken. This is an internet rumor that is compeltely and totally false with not a shread of truth. Some things just never die.
 
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