Saw This At A Local Gun Shop Saturday

m.p.driver said:
If asked for I.D. i would have probably told the clerk to **** up a rope.
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And if I was the clerk I wouldn't have sold her the gun. If the clerk is responsible to take precautions against straw purchases then this might be a good way to do it. However, that would be up to the dealer. I have seen them do it in our local gun shop and nobody got mad.
 
"Would you sell" Bye all means, customer is all ways right, checking them out beyond what the did is not his concern. It in no way sounds fishy to me, clerk could be in "hot water" for "assuming", now a days you had better be 100% correct in some of your decision. ;)
 
I live in MI and recently they changed alot of things,one being the after sale inspection with or without a concealed weapons permit. Under the old law if anyone bothered to read it it stated you were not allowed to turn over said pistol to anyone without a permit to purchase or a concealed weapons permit,this at the the time included spouses in a legal sense. Now all you have to do is submit a purchase reciept to your local constantable office if you have concealed carry permit. If you still purchase under a permit to purchase i really dont know how its done. I have done both from past purchases and still have several inspection cards for some of my handguns, my latest 2 purchases were a breeze under the new system. Bottom line is this., if the guy uses it for anything illegal, she as the righful owner will face prosecution, it is her responsibility.
 
now I have a question
Say my significant other takes me to a gun store I pick out the gun and I fill out all the paper work and she hands the clerk her credit card. Is that legal?
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IIRC, that is exactly how NYC got the dealers in those stings they were doing- they hired a man and a woman to pose as a married couple. The man filled out the papers, the woman paid, then NYC sued the dealer. NYC would drag the lawsuit out in legal motions, using the effectively unlimited resources of the city to outlast the funds of the gun store.
 
I "helped" my hunting buddy fill out the forms for a gun purchase once. We stopped at a gunshop after deer hunting one day. He spotted an AR15 for a good price. He could not find his glasses and cant read a stop sign without them. He yells across the store "Come over here and help me fill out this form"! I yelled back "I ain't gonna. The guvmint thugs'll get me"!!!
He tried three pair if glasses from staff and customers.

I read the question on the form and put my finger on the line where he should answer. If "they" were watching, I'm sure they got a laugh more than a technical violation of the law...
 
NavyLT said:
What good would that do?
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Well, if it were a CCW license it would show he is not prohibited from owning a firearm or if just an ID you could run a background check on him. Which might prevent:

divemedic said:
IIRC, that is exactly how NYC got the dealers in those stings they were doing- they hired a man and a woman to pose as a married couple. The man filled out the papers, the woman paid, then NYC sued the dealer.
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But hey, just stick it to the Man, be tough and don't take those precautions and then when your store gets closed, you are bankrupt and maybe facing criminal charges from the "Sting" you can shout: "What part of shall not be infringed do you not understand!":rolleyes:
 
flight954 said:
What she does with it after it leaves the store is her business.
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I can't argue with that. However, as one who is not a gun absolutist but a pragmatist I must tell you that that argument will not "Play in Peoria" as one politico once said. Those individuals who will not take precautions when selling their guns privately to strangers will only feed the antigun agenda and eventually cause laws to be further passed (they are already there in some states) restricting private sales. As another famous person said I cannot remember who :o "If we don't police ourselves others will police us."

I don't want private sales restricted but I would never sell to a stranger without a background check. I like it that it is voluntary but I fear others not so scrupulous may cause it to become mandatory.
 
Some folks are waaay too uptight, wife and I went to a gun show, I saw a shotgun I really liked, she went back and got it then gave it to me as a present. We broke no laws as I have a permit. How do you know that guy didnt have one? He looked the weapon over told her to get it she did with lawful documentation, to disallow her the sale well I would call a lawyer right off and go from there.

To assume,

well you know the rest...... she broke no laws in that purchase Mrs. Cravits
 
Shotguns and rifles are in a total different catagory than handguns., pistols are registered and rifles and shotguns usually are not, although they still run a check. at least they are in my state, MI
 
None of them are registered in FL or GA

but BATFE still requires FFL to record the transaction, and the required form asks directly if the buyer is purchasing for his own use.
 
I've never been asked to present a driver's license when I've bought a vehicle...... ever!

If the lady has all the necessary paperwork sell her the gun.

If I was in a store with someone(and not buying anything) and the clerk asked me for ID I'd tell him/her to stuff their self.

..... yes and if I was buying a gun to do bad things it wouldn't be a handgun anyway.
 
hogdogs said:
So how do I answer that question as a father of a 19 year old if I am buying him a gun?
Brent
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If your intention is to give that gun to your son as a gift, then you answer "YES" I am the actual purchaser of this firearm. Your intended "use" of that firearm is to give it as a gift. Gifts of firearms to any person who is eligible to POSSESS that firearm are legal, regardless of who the giver is.
 
markj said:
Some folks are waaay too uptight, wife and I went to a gun show, I saw a shotgun I really liked, she went back and got it then gave it to me as a present. We broke no laws as I have a permit. How do you know that guy didnt have one? He looked the weapon over told her to get it she did with lawful documentation, to disallow her the sale well I would call a lawyer right off and go from there.
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I am just curious. Call a lawyer for what?!?
 
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showing a driver's license when buying a vehicle isn't required

because you don't have to have a driver's license to own a vehicle. You have to have one to drive it, but that's not up to the dealer to enforce.

OTOH, BATFE requires the FFL dealer to establish that you are a state resident of the state in which you are receiving the transferred firearm. Standard way to establish that is via DL. Your CCW/CHL won't cut it, because so many states have out-of-state permits; my FL permit started as in-state, but is now out-of-state. I notified FL as required, but they didn't ask for my old permit or mail me a new one, they just said "ok, we'll update the database" and that was that. Nowhere on my FL CCW does it indicate that I am not a FL resident.

So, the dealer will want to see your DL, to establish state residency. Depending on where you live, there may be additional requirements (handgun purchase permit in NC, for example). If you have a CCW/CHL etc, showing that can eliminate the waiting period for purchase.

In other words, don't blame the dealer. Blame BATFE and Congress, if you want, for limiting handgun sales to state residents only.
 
You guys make me real nervous for all the gun sellers out there.

The sting operations mentioned do indeed use the endless resources of the governement to just close down any store tagged doing a sale they thought was legal.

So what do you do?

Not sell to anyone that has a person with them that handles the gun first?

How do you protect yourself from something like this if all of her paperwork and i.d. are valid and she never says that she is giving the gun to someone else?
 
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