Savage 99 in 300 Savage

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That 99 with the straight grip and long barrel is indeed a looker, very nice indeed. A few years back, I was in an old time country hardware store, and they had a lot of old ammo there, many boxes marked "25Cents each", that sort of thing. At one time they apparently had sold cartridges one at a time. I'd not seen that since I was a kid. Lots of partial boxes and of course I had to sift through them. One partial box, Marked 303 British, actually had 303 Savage ctgs in it, and I bought them, having never seen 303 Savages before.

Regards the Win M88 v. Savage 99. Savage HAD to keep making the 99, as it was their flagship rifle. I'd suggest the 110 bolt was simply an economical attempt to catch up with the growing boon of bolt rifles as the lever made its last gasp with American hunters caught up with magnum fever and gilt edge accuracy (sound familiar?). Take away the 99, and the plain jane 110 could not compete with the Rem 700 and even the cheapend Win 70. And in the end, that is exactly what happened.....till Savage came back , thinned its product line, and capitalized on the 110's strengths.

I don't own a 99, still looking, its on the list. But the Win 88 had some engineering advantages. The rotary bolt, lug locked like a bolt rifle. The one piece stock, though they bedded the barrel a bit oddly with the forwarded mounted stud (guess the M70's did the same). Winchester even came up with the .284 as a new high performance ctg. We all know how that worked out too. But issue was not a "bent nail" (bad design). The issue was a changing perception by the hunting/shooting community, and the fact that a bunch more 99's already produced kept the Savage rifle on the common list.

Winchester saw the writing on the wall, and nixed its rifle first.
 
I've a 99B take down. 303 savage. 150 gr Hornady RN + 34.0 gr IMR 4064 = 2265 fps. Not perfect but everyone needs one in their collection. A very good looking classic rifle.

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COSteve- My chart shows 125 FPS difference between 150 grain 300 Savage and 150 grain 308 Winchester. I said NEARLY identical. I doubt anyone shooting them could tell the difference. But thanks, my day isn't complete until someone tells me I'm wrong.
 
30-30
150 Speer Hot Core, 33 gr IMR-4320, 2,249 fps
150 Sierra ProHunter, 33 gr IMR-4320, 2,216 fps
.300 Savage
150 Rem CoreLokt, 43.5 gr Re-15, 2,630 fps

All "spec" loads fired from a 22" barrel. Same chronograph. I'm sure someone is pushing both harder, but these work for me.

Ooops, .308, it's too early. Not loading .308.
 
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There obviously is a difference between the .300 Savage and the .308 in terms of ballistics; the .308 being the more "powerful", everything else being equal (i.e., bullet weight, barrel length, etc.). How much of a difference it makes in terms of killing potency or downrange trajectory is a question, I suppose, for another day but it makes for a lively campfire discussion. I've always reckoned the difference between the two cartridges to be on the same scale as the difference between the .308 and the 30-06-a difference to be sure but how much it counts in terms of a practical downrange performance can be debated endlessly.
 
My father had one that you could remove the barrel and install a barrel that would shoot a 410 shot shell. It was a good camp rifle/shotgun. The 410 was a single shot. I think the number was a 300 savage AB but I am not positive. I missed out on the "Great Gun Giveaway" when he passed away. Doesn't help when you live 400 miles away and the rest of the family splits the cache without telling anyone.
 
COSteve- My chart shows 125 FPS difference between 150 grain 300 Savage and 150 grain 308 Winchester. I said NEARLY identical. I doubt anyone shooting them could tell the difference. But thanks, my day isn't complete until someone tells me I'm wrong.
Reminigton Core-Lokt 300 Savage 150grn = 2,630fps vs Remington Core-Lokt .308 Winchester 150grn = 2,820fps or Winchester Super-X Ammunition 300 Savage 150grn Power-Point = 2,630fps vs Winchester Super-X Ammunition 308 Winchester 150grn Power-Point = 2,820fps; both 190fps faster.

Hodgdon Reloading manual - Fastest 150grn 300 Savage Load: IMR 3031 at 2,574fps vs 150grn .308 Winchester Load: IMR 3031 at 2,881fps; 307fps faster. (Note: CFE 223 produces 2,974fps.)

Don't get me wrong, I like shooting both my Savage 99 and Winchester 88. I also like shooting my 30-30 too but facts are facts; Shooting Winchester 150grn Power-Point ammo, the 30-30 at 2,390 is 240fps slower than the 300 Savage at 2,630fps which is 190fps slower than the .308 Winchester at 2,820fps.

If you consider those 'nearly identical' then good on ya. I don't and that's all I was saying. Have a nice day. :)
 
QUOTE...but facts are facts; Shooting Winchester 150grn Power-Point ammo, the 30-30 at 2,390 is 240fps slower than the 300 Savage at 2,630fps which is 190fps slower than the .308 Winchester at 2,820fps.

Yep, them's the facts. The .300 Savage is, in my mind, significantly faster than the 30-30 and significantly slower than the .308. Whether the difference in velocity has a practical impact in terms of "killing power" when shooting at game like the whitetail deer is another question that can never be entirely resolved but it certainly means that the higher velocity round offers a flatter trajectory that might make a difference in terms of scoring a hit in the vital area as opposed to a less than optimum shot placement or even a miss. Which, I guess, is why the 30-06 continues to be a cartridge to be reckoned with. :)
 
^^^ dgludwig makes good points, there's no doubt the 308 has great ballistics.
for my hunting conditions, the 30-30 is plenty but I use my 300 Savage or 7x57 Mauser, I shoot 150's @ 2600 out of either one, they both flatten deer with no problems. :cool:
 
My Dad ( 1922 - 2004) hunted many species of Wyoming big game with his 300 savage rifle. He toppled elk and moose yet reported no problems with killing power. He shot from reasonable distances and fired his bullets into the chest organs. The 99 Savage is a legendary big game rifle.

Jack
 
Savage 99 in .300 Savage

Sounds like they are not that great.
I'll take themoff you hands and won't charge a dime.
I'll pay for the postage so all their funds can be directed toward a .308.
 
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