Saiga 12

They finally edited their info and OK'd my posting it. Here's the page listing the parts.
 

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My Son and I both own one, and let me tell you theey are a hoot, as far as a HD gun, to long and cumbersome, but for having fun with the cheap Wally World Remingtons, they are alot of fun, Had some trouble with mine whien I first bought it, it just wouldnt cycle the rounds, back to the factory and in less than two weeks It was back, seems the wrong spring was installed, havent had a malfunction with it since. The guns are alot of fun...stegmaier
 
I have one too. Word of advice, buy a couple of boxes of #00 buckshot to run through the gun first. I bought a case myself, 150 rounds. :)

I tried to run #7 1/2 through it at first, wouldn't cycle the gun.

I ran 30 rounds of #00 through it fired from the shoulder, perfect!

I ran another 30 rounds fired from the hip, a frickin' blast!

After that the bird shot cycled just fine.

Remember, stock they have a 2 position gas system.

#1 is for buckshot, powerful loads.

#2 is for whimpy stuff.

Don't fire buckshot on the #2 position, it will eventually damage the gun.

As for home defense, not my choice of weapon. Too long and cumbersome, but is a blast to blow stuff up! I need more #00!:D
 
My brother had a Saiga 12 and it was a blast to shoot. He had the surefire hi cap mags (10 rounders I think) and we would get all the attention at the range when we shot the saiga as fast as possible.

The saiga did have reliability problems initially, but he had some internal parts polished and all was smooth sailing after that.
 
if the saiga 12 is not that great of a gun due to the price and the reliability problems can anyone else suggest a shotgun that would be similar that doesn't have these problems? I would love to have a semi auto shotgun with a clip like this one!
 
i bought my saiga 12 back when they costed 450 it never jamed and even broke clays with it but for home defence the action is to long thus sticking the barrel out further so its hard to get around corners. id just get a handgun
 
Someone lent me an unconverted Saiga 12 to T&E a while back. After a year and around 500 rounds total, I sent it back. It,with the exception of some 7/8 oz loads, ate everything and worked perfectly.

What I didn't like:

The trigger was nasty. I'm told the conversion fixes this.

Lack of a bolt hold open feature.

Sights. A large aperture peep and a front sight nigh the muzzle would have given this enough sight radius for some very good slug work.

I sent it back regretfully, but still prefer my 870s.
 
The trigger was nasty. I'm told the conversion fixes this.

Lack of a bolt hold open feature.
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The conversion does indeed fix the trigger. The stock S12's trigger location is a few inches to the rear from where it normally is in an AK, but the hammer is in the same place. Those extra parts murder the trigger pull.

It's very easy to clean up the trigger on a S12 conversion.

As for the bolt hold open, as pointed out, it's a manual feature. Good for showing clear, useless for anything else. Given how difficult it is to load a magazine on a closed bolt, a real BHO actuated by the magazine follower would have been incredibly useful.
 
My buddy bought one earlier this year and the fact that we couldn't get a loaded(or even a down loaded) magazine in the gun with the bolt closed was the kiss of death for me. I'll stick with my 930 SPX, which has never hiccuped even with light target loads.
 
Glad to hear about the trigger. The bolt locking back on an empty mag and swapping mags on a closed bolt are things that can/will be tweaked in the next few years.

I predict all the issues mentioned will be solved fairly soon.
 
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