Saddam Possessed WMD, Had Extensive Terror Ties and CNS has the Evidence

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By Scott Wheeler
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
October 04, 2004

(CNSNews.com) - Iraqi intelligence documents, confiscated by U.S. forces and obtained by CNSNews.com, show numerous efforts by Saddam Hussein's regime to work with some of the world's most notorious terror organizations, including al Qaeda, to target Americans. They demonstrate that Saddam's government possessed mustard gas and anthrax, both considered weapons of mass destruction, in the summer of 2000, during the period in which United Nations weapons inspectors were not present in Iraq. And the papers show that Iraq trained dozens of terrorists inside its borders.
One of the Iraqi memos contains an order from Saddam for his intelligence service to support terrorist attacks against Americans in Somalia. The memo was written nine months before U.S. Army Rangers were ambushed in Mogadishu by forces loyal to a warlord with alleged ties to al Qaeda.
Other memos provide a list of terrorist groups with whom Iraq had relationships and considered available for terror operations against the United States.
Among the organizations mentioned are those affiliated with Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and Ayman al-Zawahiri, two of the world's most wanted terrorists. Zarqawi is believed responsible for the kidnapping and beheading of several American civilians in Iraq and claimed responsibility for a series of deadly bombings in Iraq Sept. 30. Al-Zawahiri is the top lieutenant of al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden, allegedly helped plan the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist strikes on the U.S., and is believed to be the voice on an audio tape broadcast by Al-Jazeera television Oct. 1, calling for attacks on U.S. and British interests everywhere.
The source of the documents

A senior government official who is not a political appointee provided CNSNews.com with copies of the 42 pages of Iraqi Intelligence Service documents. The originals, some of which were hand-written and others typed, are in Arabic. CNSNews.com had the papers translated into English by two individuals separately and independent of each other.
There are no hand-writing samples to which the documents can be compared for forensic analysis and authentication. However, three other experts - a former weapons inspector with the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM), a retired CIA counter-terrorism official with vast experience dealing with Iraq, and a former advisor to then-presidential candidate Bill Clinton on Iraq - were asked to analyze the documents. All said they comport with the format, style and content of other Iraqi documents from that era known to be genuine.

Bruce Tefft, a retired CIA official who specialized in counter-terrorism and had extensive experience dealing with Iraq, said that "based on available, unclassified and open source information, the details in these documents are accurate ..."
The presidential campaign is currently dominated by debate over whether Saddam procured weapons of mass destruction and/or whether his government sponsored terrorism aimed at Americans before the U.S. invaded Iraq last year. Democratic nominee Sen. John Kerry has repeatedly rejected that possibility and criticized President Bush for needlessly invading Iraq.
"[Bush's] two main rationales - weapons of mass destruction and the al Qaeda/September 11 (2001) connection - have been proved false ... by the president's own weapons inspectors ... and by the 9/11 Commission," Kerry told an audience at New York University on Sept. 20.

The documents show that Iraqi intelligence received the mustard gas and anthrax from "Saddam's company," which Tefft said was probably a reference to Saddam General Establishment, "a complex of factories involved with, amongst other things, precision optics, missile, and artillery fabrication."
"Sa'ad's general company" is listed on the Iraqi documents as the supplier of the sterilization and decontamination equipment that accompanied the anthrax vials. Tefft believes this is a reference to the Salah Al-Din State Establishment, also involved in months after that Iraqi memo was written, American soldiers were ambushed in Mogadishu, Somalia by forces loyal to Somali warlord Mohammed Farah Aidid, an alleged associate of Osama bin Laden. Eighteen Americans were killed and 84 wounded during a 17-hour firefight that followed the ambush in which Aidid's followers used civilians as decoys. (See Saddam's Connections to al Qaeda)
An 11-page Iraqi memo, dated Jan. 25, 1993, lists Palestinian, Sudanese and Asian terrorist organizations and the relationships Iraq had with each of them. Of particular importance, Tefft said, are the relationships Iraq had already developed or was in the process of developing with groups and individuals affiliated with al Qaeda, such as Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and Ayman al-Zawahiri. The U.S. currently is offering rewards of up to $25 million for each man's capture.
The documents describe Al-Jehad wa'l Tajdeed as "a secret Palestinian organization" founded after the first Persian Gulf War that "believes in armed struggle against U.S. and western interests." The leaders of the group, according to the Iraqi memo, were stationed in Jordan in 1993, and when one of those leaders visited Iraq in November 1992, he "showed the readiness of his organization to execute operations against U.S. interests at any time." (See More Saddam Connections to al Qaeda)
Tefft believes the Tajdeed group likely included al-Zarqawi, whom Teft described as "our current terrorist nemesis" in Iraq, "a Palestinian on a Jordanian passport who was with al Qaeda and bin Laden in Afghanistan prior to this period (1993)."
Tajdeed, which means Islamic Renewal, currently "has a website that posts Zarqawi's speeches, messages, claims of assassinations and beheading videos," Tefft told CNSNews.com. "The apparent linkages are too close to be accidental" and might "be one of the first operational contacts between an al Qaeda group and Iraq," he added.
Tefft said the documents, all of which the Iraqi Intelligence Service labeled "Top secret, personal and urgent" show several links between Saddam's government and terror groups dedicated not only to targeting America but also U.S. allies like Egypt and Israel.

The Iraqi intelligence documents also refer to terrorist groups previously believed to have had links with Saddam Hussein. They include the Palestine Liberation Front, a group dedicated to attacking Israel, and according to the Iraqi memo, one with "an office in Baghdad."
The Abu Nidal group, suspected by the CIA of having acted as surrogates for Iraqi terrorist attacks, is also mentioned.
"The movement believes in political violence and assassinations," the 1993 Iraqi memo states in reference to the Abu Nidal organization. "We have
The former UNSCOM weapons inspector who was asked to analyze the documents believes it's clear that the Iraqis "were training people there in assassination and suicide bombing techniques ... including non-Iraqis."
Bush administration likely unaware of documents' existence
The senior government official and source of the Iraqi intelligence memos, explained that the reason the documents have not been made public before now is that the government has "thousands and thousands of documents waiting to be translated.
"It is unlikely they even know this exists," the source added.
The government official also explained that the motivation for leaking the documents, "is strictly national security and helping with the war on terrorism by focusing this country's attention on facts and away from political posturing.
"This is too important to let it get caught up in the political process," the source told CNSNews.com.
To protect against the Iraqi intelligence documents being altered or misrepresented elsewhere on the Internet, CNSNews.com has decided to publish only the first of the 42 pages in Arabic, along with the English translation. Portions of some of the other memos in translated form are also being published to accompany this report. Credentialed journalists and counter-terrorism experts seeking to view the 42 pages of Arabic documents or to challenge their authenticity may make arrangements to do so at CNSNews.com headquarters in Alexandria, Va.
 
Odd, today Rumsfeld said they didn't have evidence linking Saddam to terrorists. You would expect him to say he did, if they had any evidence at all, to give Bush momentum going into the next debate. It would even have an effect on the Cheney-Edwards debate.
Unless they expect Bush to flub another debate and are saving all the goodies until after the next debate.
 
croyance,

I doubt that the administration would have Sec.Def. announce that kind of news during the election cycle, I think that they would save it for either V.P. Cheney or President Bush to make the public announcement for maximum impact.

There have been other so-called smoking gun documents coming from Iraq that have been fakes. I'm sure that the administration wants to make good and sure to verify the authenticity of these documents before announcing them.

It could blow up in their face big time if they announced them prematurely and they later proved to be fakes! Just think what Dan Rather would have to say if President Bush released false documents! :rolleyes:
 
Cactus, it hardly matters if my post was correct or not. A silly thread deserves a silly post.

There is a major difference between the President acting on false information or information that is not verified and Dan Rather going on air with unconfirmed information. Last count it was over 1000 US deaths and more casualties.
 
So I guess that you have already made up your mind that the article is false.

Wouldn't want to disrupt your world view with contradictory evidence. :rolleyes:
 
Hey, show me evidence and I'll look at it. How many times this year have we seen false reports of finding WMD's, or at least parts? How many pan out? Zero.

CNS News finds documents that the Bush Administration has made no mention of, although it is the last month before the election. No other news organization has found this. Though you can say that the media in general is liberal, Fox News isn't and would have mentioned it.
The two sources of confirmation are an unnamed public official and a former CIA official that cites unclassified information matches it. So anybody could have made this.
CNS news had this translated themselves and released the story, but hasn't sold it to a larger organization. Odd, since any of the newpapers or networks would love a blockbuster story to lord over the others.

So confirm this for me, show me the evidence. I'd love to see it, it would make the deaths of US soldiers easier to take. It would explain why the obsession with Iraq and not North Korea - which was clearly further ahead on a nuclear weapons program.

Or would doing these things shake up your world view? I'm guessing this 'story' only confirms it.
 
The government official also explained that the motivation for leaking the documents, "is strictly national security and helping with the war on terrorism by focusing this country's attention on facts and away from political posturing.
"This is too important to let it get caught up in the political process," the source told CNSNews.com.

"Evidence leaked by the government" to "to support the governments actions". Right.

In other words, "evidence" from someone, somewhere that, if false, the elected officials can not be held accountable over it.

Very clever. George Herbert Walker Bush repeated the blatant lies of the daughter of Kuwait ambassador Sheikh Yo'Money Saud Nasir al-Sabah after her coached performance before Congress - complete with weeping and tears - about Saddam "murdering babies". This after the millions of dollars from "Citizens for a free Kuwait" paid to George H W's former Chief of Staff Craig Fuller for the services of his PR firm Hill & Knowlton.

When the lie was exposed, it didn't stop the Bush adminstration from the first invasion of Iraq, and George H W never retracted his statements, but it must have been embarrassing all the same. They had to figure some people saw the reports, even if the major portion of U.S. media obligingly didn't investigate and cover the story.

So now, desperate to capture hearts and minds in their big real estate venture, after the fake Nigerian report (and faked by who we wonder?), and no WMDs falling out of the sky into the Iraqi desert and hills, another attempt to project a "connection" between Saddam Hussein and Al Kidya and WMDs.

Without any elected official having to sign his name under it as "genuine". Very clever indeed ;)
 
The republicans aren't very good at getting the word out. I seem to remember the democrat's talking points from not too long ago that there were no ties between Iraq and al qaeda.

There was not much news coverage on the 9-11 report after it came out compared the the news during the commission hearings.

There never will be enough evidence to convince some democrats that ties between al qaeda and Hussein existed.

What we do know is that there were talks between the government of Iraq and at at times bin ladin himself with Iraq offering refuge to bin ladin.


from the 9-11 report:

Link: http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch2.htm

Quote:
In mid-1998, the situation reversed; it was Iraq that reportedly took the initiative. In March 1998, after Bin Ladin's public fatwa against the United States, two al Qaeda members reportedly went to Iraq to meet with Iraqi intelligence. In July, an Iraqi delegation traveled to Afghanistan to meet first with the Taliban and then with Bin Ladin. Sources reported that one, or perhaps both, of these meetings was apparently arranged through Bin Ladin's Egyptian deputy, Zawahiri, who had ties of his own to the Iraqis. In 1998, Iraq was under intensifying U.S. pressure, which culminated in a series of large air attacks in December.75
Similar meetings between Iraqi officials and Bin Ladin or his aides may have occurred in 1999 during a period of some reported strains with the Taliban. According to the reporting, Iraqi officials offered Bin Ladin a safe haven in Iraq. Bin Ladin declined, apparently judging that his circumstances in Afghanistan remained more favorable than the Iraqi alternative.
 
I have to agree that this is pretty tenuous. If there was rock-solid info, the administration would be crowing it from the rooftops.

In the past, CNSNews.com has struck me as being only slightly more credible than Infowars or Debka.
 
But the point is...

When there is an actual support relationship it's easy to see. Our CIA tracked the money from Al qaeda straight back to saudi Arabia. Pakistan supports AQ, so does the Sudan, Iran, and the usual suspects.

The point is Hussein never did. He may have had some courtesy visits, but there was no support. Bin laden was powerful and dangerous, and Hussein may not have deifed him with total disrespect (in the beginning), but eventually the gloves came off. Bin alden publicly called Hussein and infidel and a liar and called for his overthrow. he also stated Iraq would be a prime target for eliminating the infidele secular baath regime and installing an Islamic theocracy.

The repubs are trying to take some isolated meetings (if they ever occurred at all, it is always disputed) and turn that into a case that Iraq was an Al qaeda ally. In fact, Hussein and Bin laden were enemies and after Bin laden realized he couldn't shake Hussein down for money (as he currently does to the saudi royal family), Bin laden let the truth come out about his actual opinion of Hussein.
 
In the past, CNSNews.com has struck me as being only slightly more credible than Infowars or Debka.


They're not as bad as The National Enquirer, but I wouldn't hang much on something that only CNS is reporting.

The do have a decent cartoonist or two, though.
 
So confirm this for me, show me the evidence. I'd love to see it, it would make the deaths of US soldiers easier to take.

I'll make you a deal, You show me where I even implyed that this info. is true and I will show you the evidence! I have no idea if it's true or not. Unlike you, I'm waiting for verification and stated that the administration is probably waiting for verification as well. The only one jumping to any conclusions is you! :D

Or would doing these things shake up your world view? I'm guessing this 'story' only confirms it.

Doesn't shake up a thing. I'm not at all concerned if Saddam had them or not, what's done is done. I'm concerned about what happens in the future.
 
Why should I play to shifting rules? I don't work for the administration.

You said I already made up my mind. I didn't, it is just apparent that this story is full of holes. My point is that unverified, it is useless. It is weak on the face of it.
You also said:
Wouldn't want to disrupt your world view with contradictory evidence.
There, coupled with the statement that I made up my mind, this is an implication that this CNS News 'story' is information.
So I didn't jump to any conclusions. I was just able to read.

Just think what Dan Rather would have to say if President Bush released false documents!
More importantly, why shouldn't I hold any administration to at least the same standards that the public holds for news organizations? If there is complaint that Dan Rather did not have enough fact checking done, how do you justify Bush? The 'Nigerian Report' that his own intelligence officials doubted surely cried out for co-oberation.
 
Courtesy visits?????

"He may have had some courtesy visits"

Do you have any sources to back up your analysis ?

For any that are interested, the information at link below is lengthy and detailed.

Because of the space allowed per post on this forum I will only copy a small portion of the text.


http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/378fmxyz.asp



OSAMA BIN LADEN and Saddam Hussein had an operational relationship from the early 1990s to 2003 that involved training in explosives and weapons of mass destruction, logistical support for terrorist attacks, al Qaeda training camps and safe haven in Iraq, and Iraqi financial support for al Qaeda--perhaps even for Mohamed Atta--according to a top secret U.S. government memorandum obtained by THE WEEKLY STANDARD.
The memo, dated October 27, 2003, was sent from Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas J. Feith to Senators Pat Roberts and Jay Rockefeller, the chairman and vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. It was written in response to a request from the committee as part of its investigation into prewar intelligence claims made by the administration. Intelligence reporting included in the 16-page memo comes from a variety of domestic and foreign agencies, including the FBI, the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Central Intelligence Agency, and the National Security Agency. Much of the evidence is detailed, conclusive, and corroborated by multiple sources. Some of it is new information obtained in custodial interviews with high-level al Qaeda terrorists and Iraqi officials, and some of it is more than a decade old. The picture that emerges is one of a history of collaboration between two of America's most determined and dangerous enemies.
According to the memo--which lays out the intelligence in 50 numbered points--Iraq-al Qaeda contacts began in 1990 and continued through mid-March 2003, days before the Iraq War began. Most of the numbered passages contain straight, fact-based intelligence reporting, which some cases includes an evaluation of the credibility of the source. This reporting is often followed by commentary and analysis.
The relationship began shortly before the first Gulf War. According to reporting in the memo, bin Laden sent "emissaries to Jordan in 1990 to meet with Iraqi government officials." At some unspecified point in 1991, according to a CIA analysis, "Iraq sought Sudan's assistance to establish links to al Qaeda." The outreach went in both directions. According to 1993 CIA reporting cited in the memo, "bin Laden wanted to expand his organization's capabilities through ties with Iraq."
The primary go-between throughout these early stages was Sudanese strongman Hassan al-Turabi, a leader of the al Qaeda-affiliated National Islamic Front. Numerous sources have confirmed this. One defector reported that "al-Turabi was instrumental in arranging the Iraqi-al Qaeda relationship. The defector said Iraq sought al Qaeda influence through its connections with Afghanistan, to facilitate the transshipment of proscribed weapons and equipment to Iraq. In return, Iraq provided al Qaeda with training and instructors."
One such confirmation came in a postwar interview with one of Saddam Hussein's henchmen. As the memo details:
4. According to a May 2003 debriefing of a senior Iraqi intelligence officer, Iraqi intelligence established a highly secretive relationship with Egyptian Islamic Jihad, and later with al Qaeda. The first meeting in 1992 between the Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) and al Qaeda was brokered by al-Turabi. Former IIS deputy director Faruq Hijazi and senior al Qaeda leader [Ayman al] Zawahiri were at the meeting--the first of several between 1992 and 1995 in Sudan. Additional meetings between Iraqi intelligence and al Qaeda were held in Pakistan. Members of al Qaeda would sometimes visit Baghdad where they would meet the Iraqi intelligence chief in a safe house. The report claimed that Saddam insisted the relationship with al Qaeda be kept secret. After 9-11, the source said Saddam made a personnel change in the IIS for fear the relationship would come under scrutiny from foreign probes.


A decisive moment in the budding relationship came in 1993, when bin Laden faced internal resistance to his cooperation with Saddam.

5. A CIA report from a contact with good access, some of whose reporting has been corroborated, said that certain elements in the "Islamic Army" of bin Laden were against the secular regime of Saddam. Overriding the internal factional strife that was developing, bin Laden came to an "understanding" with Saddam that the Islamic Army would no longer support anti-Saddam activities. According to sensitive reporting released in U.S. court documents during the African Embassy trial, in 1993 bin Laden reached an "understanding" with Saddam under which he (bin Laden) forbade al Qaeda operations to be mounted against the Iraqi leader.
Another facilitator of the relationship during the mid-1990s was Mahmdouh Mahmud Salim (a.k.a. Abu Hajer al-Iraqi). Abu Hajer, now in a New York prison, was described in court proceedings related to the August 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania as bin Laden's "best friend." According to CIA reporting dating back to the Clinton administration, bin Laden trusted him to serve as a liaison with Saddam's regime and tasked him with procurement of weapons of mass destruction for al Qaeda. FBI reporting in the memo reveals that Abu Hajer "visited Iraq in early 1995" and "had a good relationship with Iraqi intelligence. Sometime before mid-1995 he went on an al Qaeda mission to discuss unspecified cooperation with the Iraqi government."

Some of the reporting about the relationship throughout the mid-1990s comes from

a source who had intimate knowledge of bin Laden and his dealings. This source, according to CIA analysis, offered "the most credible information" on cooperation between bin Laden and Iraq.


This source's reports read almost like a diary. Specific dates of when bin Laden flew to various cities are included, as well as names of individuals he met. The source did not offer information on the substantive talks during the meetings. . . . There are not a great many reports in general on the relationship between bin Laden and Iraq because of the secrecy surrounding it. But when this source with close access provided a "window" into bin Laden's activities, bin Laden is seen as heavily involved with Iraq (and Iran).
Reporting from the early 1990s remains somewhat sketchy, though multiple sources place Hassan al-Turabi and Ayman al Zawahiri, bin Laden's current No. 2, at the center of the relationship. The reporting gets much more specific in the mid-1990s:


8. Reporting from a well placed source disclosed that bin Laden was receiving training on bomb making from the IIS's [Iraqi Intelligence Service] principal technical expert on making sophisticated explosives, Brigadier Salim al-Ahmed. Brigadier Salim was observed at bin Laden's farm in Khartoum in Sept.-Oct. 1995 and again in July 1996, in the company of the Director of Iraqi Intelligence, Mani abd-al-Rashid al-Tikriti.
9 . . . Bin Laden visited Doha, Qatar (17-19 Jan. 1996), staying at the residence of a member of the Qatari ruling family. He discussed the successful movement of explosives into Saudi Arabia, and operations targeted against U.S. and U.K. interests in Dammam, Dharan, and Khobar, using clandestine al Qaeda cells in Saudi Arabia. Upon his return, bin Laden met with Hijazi and Turabi, among others.

And later more reporting, from the same "well placed" source:


10. The Director of Iraqi Intelligence, Mani abd-al-Rashid al-Tikriti, met privately with bin Laden at his farm in Sudan in July 1996. Tikriti used an Iraqi delegation traveling to Khartoum to discuss bilateral cooperation as his "cover" for his own entry into Sudan to meet with bin Laden and Hassan al-Turabi. The Iraqi intelligence chief and two other IIS officers met at bin Laden's farm and discussed bin Laden's request for IIS technical assistance in: a) making letter and parcel bombs; b) making bombs which could be placed on aircraft and detonated by changes in barometric pressure; and c) making false passport [sic]. Bin Laden specifically requested that [Brigadier Salim al-Ahmed], Iraqi intelligence's premier explosives maker--especially skilled in making car bombs--remain with him in Sudan. The Iraqi intelligence chief instructed Salim to remain in Sudan with bin Laden as long as required.
The analysis of those events follows:


The time of the visit from the IIS director was a few weeks after the Khobar Towers bombing. The bombing came on the third anniversary of a U.S. [Tomahawk missile] strike on IIS HQ (retaliation for the attempted assassination of former President Bush in Kuwait) for which Iraqi officials explicitly threatened retaliation.

IN ADDITION TO THE CONTACTS CLUSTERED in the mid-1990s, intelligence reports detail a flurry of activities in early 1998 and again in December 1998. A "former senior Iraqi intelligence officer" reported that "the Iraqi intelligence service station in Pakistan was Baghdad's point of contact with al Qaeda. He also said bin Laden visited Baghdad in Jan. 1998 and met with Tariq Aziz."


11. According to sensitive reporting, Saddam personally sent Faruq Hijazi, IIS deputy director and later Iraqi ambassador to Turkey, to meet with bin Laden at least twice, first in Sudan and later in Afghanistan in 1999. . . .
14. According to a sensitive reporting [from] a "regular and reliable source," [Ayman al] Zawahiri, a senior al Qaeda operative, visited Baghdad and met with the Iraqi Vice President on 3 February 1998. The goal of the visit was to arrange for coordination between Iraq and bin Laden and establish camps in an-Nasiriyah and Iraqi Kurdistan under the leadership of Abdul Aziz.
 
... according to a top secret U.S. government memorandum obtained by THE WEEKLY STANDARD ....

Assuming the Weekly Standard is correct - if it is in fact a "top secret" memorandum that has been leaked - someone is liable for some heavy prison time if it is ever atributed to an individual named person. Unless it was stolen, in which case an equal liability.

But without someone of official standing stepping forward to verify it's accuracy - it can not be taken seriously. And unless it is declassified beforehand, anyone who does step forward and gives it an official stamp of verification is risking the same penalties as those who may have leaked or stolen it.
 
Funny, if you had similar evidence supporting your side of the arguement you'd be waving it about and daring anyone to refute it. The allegation that the intel was ether stolen or leaked illegally really doesn't lessen the impact or veracity of the intel itself, does it?
 
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