Sac Valley Shooting Center Bans CA DOJ from range.

Pthfndr

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The Folsom Shooting Club, owners/operators of the Sacramento Valley Shooting Center - arguably the premier shooting facility in Norcal if not the state - www.sacvalley.org/ a club I am a member of, has decided to no no longer allow the CA DOJ to use it's facility for practice and training due to their support of gungrabbers. Our range relies on law enforcement agencies, mainly the California Dept of Corrections, for a large part of our revenue. So this is no small thing to do.

FSCLetter.jpg
 
About the only way to get thier attention.....when they figure out that they will have to pay $$$ to get a range of thier own. Hit em in the pocketbook.
If Arnold has any cojones he will veto the bills.........
 
"Caviler" seems to be a spelling-check-botched alteration of "cavalier." Otherwise, good letter.
 
Politicians are enthusiastic bullies, but they don't react well when they're on the receiving end of such pressure. That gun club can brace itself for multiple punitive actions...they'll get increased scrutiny from every CA state agency in the book.
 
"That gun club can brace itself for multiple punitive actions...they'll get increased scrutiny from every CA state agency in the book."

And those agencies will find, I'm sure, that the club tries as hard as it can to abide by every single law. I have never seen any gun club that would tolerate law-breaking, for this very reason.

Tim
 
And you know as well as I do that a state bureaucrat, given enough of time and a grudge, can always find a law/code violation in a business.
 
"And you know as well as I do that a state bureaucrat, given enough of time and a grudge, can always find a law/code violation in a business."

That's what lawyers are for. What would you have them do? Bend over and take it? I applaud this club for its courage and commitment to the RKBA.

Tim
 
It doesn't hit anyone in the pocketbook, and it doesn't teach anyone a lesson. I'd expect the sociofascists to build their own (private) range at the expense of CA taxpayers. The demofascists may even enact laws to force the shooting club out of business. If they can't use the club, there's no longer any reason to tolerate its existence.

[edit - Regardless of its effectiveness in changing gov't policy, I still support what the club is doing.]
 
We need to support this man: Thomas S. Hause, Folsom Shooting Club

Everyone please read this letter from
Thomas S. Hause, President
Folsom Shooting Club, Inc.


http://www.sacvalley.org/SacVal/Lttr_to_DOJ.html

We should support this 100%.

Anyone in California ought to go to their own fireranges with this suggestion.
SB357 *MUST* be stopped.

[mod note: above letter is a text version of the scanned image at the beginning of the thread]
 
(this is contact info for the shooting club, not Mr. Hause's personal contact information)
Telephone: (916) 354-9668
Postal address: P.O. Box 1407, Sloughhouse, CA 95683
Email: sacvalley *at* outdrs *dot* net
 
Brady: Gun Rights Activists "ought to have their heads examined".

Gun Enthusiasts Get Ugly in California Legislative Push, Lock State Agents Out of Training Facility

6/8/2005 2:00:00 PM

To: National Desk

Contact: Amanda Wilcox of the Million Mom March, 530-432-2171, Peter Hamm of the Brady Campaign, 202-898-0792

SACRAMENTO, Calif., June 8 /U.S. Newswire/ -- A shooting range here has announced a ban on use of its shooting facilities by employees of the California Department of Justice because the Department is supporting two bills in the State legislature that the club opposes.

The bills represent groundbreaking new ballistic identification systems which would give police new crime solving tools. Each would set up systems for markings on gun ammunition in California that would help law enforcement investigators track down the perpetrators of shootings that might otherwise remain unsolved. One bill (AB 352) would require handguns to include a device that stamps a specific number on bullets that are fired by that handgun, while the other (SB 357) would require that ammunition manufacturers mark ammunition with a serial number for potential tracking.

The bills have the support of the California DOJ. No California law enforcement organizations oppose the measures. In a letter to California Attorney General Bill Lockyer, Thomas S. Hause, President of the Folsom Shooting Club, which operates the Sacramento Valley Shooting Center outside Sacramento, wrote "The Board of Directors of the Folsom Shooting Club (FSC) has directed me to advise you, in writing, that Department of Justice staff, while acting in their official capacity, are suspended from using the Sacramento Valley Shooting Center (SVSC). The FSC is concerned that your staff will further your efforts regarding AB 352 and SB 357 while using our facility."

Leaders of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence and the Million Mom March are urging the club to drop the policy immediately. "It is offensive that the owners of this shooting range would rather side with criminals than with law enforcement and victims, not to mention that they are discriminating against people simply because they have a different view on legislation," said Amanda Wilcox, State Council Leader of the Million Mom March. "It is also very troubling when it is law enforcement agents who are using the facility for training purposes."

"What's next - should police who support sensible gun laws have their firearms taken away? This is un-American, and these guysought to have their heads examined," said Jim Brady, chair of the Brady Campaign.

The move has generated a great deal of activity on internet chat sites. On one site, a person who self-identifies as a member of the Folsom club wrote "Our range relies on law enforcement agencies, mainly the California Dept of Corrections, for a large part of our revenue. So this is no small thing to do."

Another chat posting read "Every gun store, gun manufacturer, equipment supplier, and range should boycott all law enforcement sales and support." Another read "If more companies would make this stand and simply say 'if you're going to make it hard for the public to own firearms then we aren't going to assist you in arming yourself against them' maybe the balance would shift." Yet another read "We should ask our respective gun clubs to ban all law enforcement (not just the CA DOJ) from using their ranges as a training ground or for their pistol qualifications. We'll see how far that goes." (See the letter and the comments at http://calguns.net/eve/ubb.x/a/tpc/f/545600176/m/29010985521)

The state Assembly has passed AB 352, which would give police the ability to match bullet shells at the scene of a crime to the gun that fired the bullet. A day later, the State Senate passed SB 357, the bill that will require that all handgun bullets have a serial number that identifies the purchaser. These "cutting edge" proposals are important, powerful tools for police and other states may follow suit. AB 352 now moves to the State Senate and SB 357 now moves to the Assembly.

In 2003, there were nearly 1,600 handgun homicides in California. In a typical year in California, no arrest is made in almost half of the state's homicides because police lack enough evidence to find the murderer.

As the nation's largest, non-partisan, grassroots organization leading the fight to prevent gun violence, the Brady Campaign, working with its dedicated network of Million Mom March Chapters, is devoted to creating an America free from gun violence, where all Americans are safe at home, at school, at work, and in our communities

http://www.usnewswire.com/

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/© 2005 U.S. Newswire 202-347-2770/
 
Privately owned shooting range. Deal with it, CA DOJ, deal with it Brady, and deal with it Million Moms.
 
Yes, baby, yes! Am I the only one who grins and makes various fist pump / pelvic thrust / woo-WOO gestures in my chair after reading about the brady bunch getting upset to the point of moaning and crying?

It is offensive that the owners of this shooting range would rather side with criminals than with law enforcement and victims

Ban any cutlery from your home and make your son eat with his fingers. If he asks why, remind him of the youth who stabbed a cat to death last week with a fork. Explain that if just one cat is saved by the banning of cutlery, then this prohibition will be justified. If he protests, question him closely about why he is intending to kill innocent cats, or accuse him of being a cat hater.

http://guns.connect.fi/gow/ideas.html

should police who support gun control have their firearms taken away?

Yes.
 
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