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James K is correct, assuming that its not a 44-40. The 44 Frontier model (44-40) production did not begin until 1886.

Despite many 44 Russians not having the cal marking because they were first, many 44-40s also did not have the caliber marking either. I am not sure when they first had "44 Winchester" placed on the left side.
 
Thanks Everyone,
Not as much looking at the value as much as I was the type and caliber and you answered that question. The gun has been it the family for a long time and I will hand it down to a nephew when the time comes. One more question.If I had it refinished would it make any difference to the value? Thanks again.
 
IMHO, that gun is "on the edge" for rebluing. It has no finish now, so rebluing won't hurt it any. I say go ahead and have it refinished if you want, but please have it professionally reblued, not painted or cold blued. The old timer should at least be respected that far.

In fact, you might contact Doug Turnbull about a full restoration job; won't be cheap, but nothing is today, at least nothing worth while.

Turnbull's phone is (585) 657-6338, e-mail info@turnbullrestoration.com

Since the gun is an antique, it can legally be mailed (USPS) to any FFL holder, though sometimes postal clerks will not understand that, so contact the postmaster first and be sure he/she understands the regulations.
Good luck.

Jim
 
The gun is a 44-40 and I'm thinking of having a full restoration done on it since it's going to be kept in the family. Does anyone have any guesses on the cost for it.? I will email the guy you recommended. Thanks for all the help. It has been a lot of fun researching the pistol. Carl, Seneca ,SC
 
I don't really agree that a restoration is a good idea. For it to look the way it originally did, the restoration will not add its price to the value of the gun. As it stands, I think its worth around $800. Perhaps restored it would be worth more, maybe around $1000 or so, but for that increase of X, you will spend X + $100s to get it, meaning that it is not good fiscal decision. So in other words, this $800 gun, with say a $700 restoration, would not then be worth $1500, IMO. On the other hand, its fair to say that the restoration would add to the value, but in this case, IMO, it would NOT add its total cost to the value. Restored it would be worth more than $800, IMO.

Of course, you could say "it would look better refinished" but remember, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Some would say restored it would look better, while others would prefer it now. The people (myself) who prefer it now, prefer its original look, which cannot be brought back. If you leave it as is, you could always later have it restored or have an owner after you make the call. After its restored, it cannot be reversed.

As for Jim Ks statements on how there is so little finish left that restoration makes some sense, I would say that despite it being true that the condition is low, its still in essence a waste. I know some may disagree, but really, its simple math, as I already stated. One has to understand that its a collector gun, and that its not a rare bird, so, there is impetus for a collector to shop around for a 44-40 with a 6in barrel, which is original rather than purchase a restored example. When talking 44 Frontiers, 6in guns are probably most common. Of course, a restored version would cost the collector much less than 90% finish version BUT most collectors of such guns would rather pay more to get more. I could see a CAS buying a restored gun, but some would get an original worn one (your Frontier, currently) instead, because that would cost less. In addition, many collectors would pass on it automatically because its not a rare variation AND its restored. Some collectors (myself) will sacrifice condition, or originality to get that rare gun, but this gun isn't that rare gun, so there really isn't a point to forgive a refinish in this case.

As for Turnbull, no doubt he would do good work, but IMO you are paying for his name because he is that established. There is Dave Chicoine, and many others who would do great work. Perhaps ask around at the S&W forum, in the antique section, for a list of good restoration guys, if you make that choice.
 
Turnbull is certainly not the only restorer, but I have had work done by him and it was well done and at what I considered a reasonable price.

I fully agree that in many cases, restoration is a bad choice, especially if any significant amount of original finish remains. But, obviously, it is a matter for a gun owner to decide. The financial aspect is important, of course, and it would not make sense financially to buy that gun and then pay for restoration. But if the OP already owns the gun, the value might increase significantly if the restoration is done well. (If the gun is turned over to some local gunsmith who thinks rebluing involves buffing off the marks and rounding corners, then the gun would be ruined.)

Jim
 
Thanks for all the help.... This is the message I received about restoration of the gun. I'll have to pass on this one.

Good morning,



As long as there are no mechanical repairs we can restore this firearm.

The estimated cost will be approximately 2800.00 depending on the amount of polishing. This price does not include new grips.



Thank You



Bob Chipman



Robert G. Chipman

Operations

Doug Turnbull Restoration and Manufacturing Inc.

6680 Route 5 & 20

Bloomfield, NY 14469

P 585 657 6338

F 585 657 7743

C 508 868 5506
 
Wow! Their prices seem to have really gone up recently. That is a complex gun to disassemble and re-assemble, so if you feel up to the job, you might ask how much the restoration would be if you did that part.

Jim
 
And THAT is why I kind of cringe whenever somebody shows a worn or beat up old gun and the advice is "send it to Turnbull." It hardly ever makes economic sense.
 
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