S&W,Ruger "no safety" sales
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which is why I don't want to get into 1911s after being used to not having a safety.Sad when kids "ain't raised right".
I can see your point, and the logic behind it. Stick with what works for you.
On the other hand, you might look at the 1911( or any gun with a safety) a different way. Like learning how to drive a stick shift, when you originally learned only to drive an automatic. and that's also a situation that can have deadly consequences if done wrong. But people manage to learn it, all the time.
springfieldmaniac
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I've owned a lot of pistols, I have a glock and 1911 Currently. I always thought a safety offering on a glock would be a big hit. If you don't like it don't use it. I've never had a safety accidentally engage though I suppose anything is possible. Even if it was just offered on a few models as an option, that would be very cool.
Glock has spent the last 30 years calling their product "Perfection". Adding a safety option, as S&W and Ruger has, would be against that theory. They're too arrogant to do it.
Look at the new Glock 43. For YEARS, people have wanted a single stack Glock. Only after the success of the Shield, the LC9, the CM9, etc, did Glock offer something comparable. Years too late, but Glock fans will still call it the Second Coming.
Look at the new Glock 43. For YEARS, people have wanted a single stack Glock. Only after the success of the Shield, the LC9, the CM9, etc, did Glock offer something comparable. Years too late, but Glock fans will still call it the Second Coming.
Fullclip610
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If glock had a safety on their guns I would own one. Seems like the little tab on the trigger isn't much of a safety. On the trigger isn't the best spot for a safety considering if something gets in the trigger guard it would most likely depress that tab as well.
dakota.potts
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I can use a double action with no safety or a gun with a good 1911 style safety. I have to drill more with the single action with the safety to become comfortable with it, but I can.
What screws me up are the backwards safeties offered by companies like Beretta. I would recommend you stick with one direction of thumb safety if that's your thing.
I still prefer DA/SA with no safety, like my CZ
What screws me up are the backwards safeties offered by companies like Beretta. I would recommend you stick with one direction of thumb safety if that's your thing.
I still prefer DA/SA with no safety, like my CZ
homerboy said:
Or maybe the Glock haters are just too arrogant in their mistaken beliefs to do a little research. Could it possibly be that the purchasers of the best selling and most copied pistol in the last 40 years actually don't want a safety option?
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/08/25/thumb-safety-glock/
homerboy said:
Years too late for what? You believe that the market is saturated and no one will buy them except Glock collectors?
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I don't dislike Glocks because of the absence of a safety lever; I have other reasons. Concerning autos without safeties, I never wanted one until recently when I checked out the new Ruger LC9s pro. After purchasing, it became my favorite EDC. I simply determined to never remove it from the holster unless I needed to clean or fire it.
DA revolvers don't have manual safeties, and DAO pistols rarely have manual safeties. So it is not a huge stretch to accept a partially-cocked striker fired pistol with no manual safety. And the large numbers of Glock, XD, HK, Walther, and other pistols clearly show that many many shooters agree... and I understand that some of these are actually fully cocked, but that is a different discussion.
I love shooting my 1911, but it is a range gun, a target gun, a steel plate gun. For defense purposes I chose a gun with no safety (Glock, Walther PPS), or a DA/SA gun with the safety off (FNX), or a DA/SA decocker with no safety (SIG).
1911 fans often tell me that getting comfortable with a manual safety is a training issue. Fair enough. But learning to comfortably and safely live with a no-manual-safety pistol is also a training issue.
Like many things, it comes down to personal preference and what each of us is comfortable with. There is a right answer for me, and there is a different right answer for you, but there is no one right answer for everyone.
Jim
I love shooting my 1911, but it is a range gun, a target gun, a steel plate gun. For defense purposes I chose a gun with no safety (Glock, Walther PPS), or a DA/SA gun with the safety off (FNX), or a DA/SA decocker with no safety (SIG).
1911 fans often tell me that getting comfortable with a manual safety is a training issue. Fair enough. But learning to comfortably and safely live with a no-manual-safety pistol is also a training issue.
Like many things, it comes down to personal preference and what each of us is comfortable with. There is a right answer for me, and there is a different right answer for you, but there is no one right answer for everyone.
Jim
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I can fully understand not wanting different safety directions; up can be either off or on or down can be?
I personally sold off all of my pistols with up as fire a number of years ago just for this reason; not to mention that I do like my 1911s.
So, muscle memory seems to be important to some folks.
I propose that we bring out a "remote control/computer keyboard" safety. Think about how many of us are pushing the "enter" button on computers and remotes!
If safeties were just push the button simple. No direction... just push.
Then we could be discussing whether the "right hand pinkie" safety was superior to the "right hand thumb" safety! And the south paws would once again be left out in the cold!
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I fully support a free market system and am happy that we still have choices regarding this topic!
As per the original question, NO safety for me for either S&W or Ruger model listed. But hey, that's just me...
I personally sold off all of my pistols with up as fire a number of years ago just for this reason; not to mention that I do like my 1911s.
So, muscle memory seems to be important to some folks.
I propose that we bring out a "remote control/computer keyboard" safety. Think about how many of us are pushing the "enter" button on computers and remotes!
If safeties were just push the button simple. No direction... just push.
Then we could be discussing whether the "right hand pinkie" safety was superior to the "right hand thumb" safety! And the south paws would once again be left out in the cold!
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I fully support a free market system and am happy that we still have choices regarding this topic!
As per the original question, NO safety for me for either S&W or Ruger model listed. But hey, that's just me...
I think the only reasonable way to answer the OP's question would be to survey dealers. But even doing so, I wouldn't expect the accuracy of the response to be very good at all--maybe +/- 20% unless it was a tiny dealer who actually knew details. In that case, the answer wouldn't be of much value either because it would likely not represent the market--assuming that's the objective.
Not a "Glock Hater", although I am used to being called one by Glock Fanboys. I've owned 2 of them, a 19 and a 26. Just seen too many people who equate the word "Glock" with "firearm" and buy one because the FBI and cops use them, so they must be the best. They are probably the worst choice for new gun owners. No safety, no hammer, and requiring a trigger pull to disassemble.
And I have yet to see ANYBODY show up to the range wearing a S&w t- shirt and hat, while carrying a S&w range bag. Glock seems to have cornered the market on Navy SEAL Mall Ninjas. And thank GOD for the Glock entrenching tool and Glock pistol bayonet too! How did our boys in WW II dig all those foxholes without the official Glock entrenching tool? Think about how many could have been saved at Bastogne if they had one!
As for the 43 being too late, just what is the advantage to it over a Shield or LC9-S? Fatter, bigger, less rounds, more expensive. And probably about to have issues like the 42 did when it came out.
Most copied in 40 years? How about most copied in 100? How many companies make 1911's?
And I have yet to see ANYBODY show up to the range wearing a S&w t- shirt and hat, while carrying a S&w range bag. Glock seems to have cornered the market on Navy SEAL Mall Ninjas. And thank GOD for the Glock entrenching tool and Glock pistol bayonet too! How did our boys in WW II dig all those foxholes without the official Glock entrenching tool? Think about how many could have been saved at Bastogne if they had one!
As for the 43 being too late, just what is the advantage to it over a Shield or LC9-S? Fatter, bigger, less rounds, more expensive. And probably about to have issues like the 42 did when it came out.
Most copied in 40 years? How about most copied in 100? How many companies make 1911's?
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Sold Ruger Pro
Today I sold my new,unused Ruger lc9s Pro.7 weeks ago I bought it to"upgrade" my main EDC,a well proven lc9s.But for some reason I,even with G42 part of my pocket rotation,I could'nt do it.Thanks to all your replies to OP,I saw that I too wanted that manual safety.
Today I sold my new,unused Ruger lc9s Pro.7 weeks ago I bought it to"upgrade" my main EDC,a well proven lc9s.But for some reason I,even with G42 part of my pocket rotation,I could'nt do it.Thanks to all your replies to OP,I saw that I too wanted that manual safety.