S&W Customer Service: Sometimes it's good.

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Japle

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And sometimes it's not there at all.

On 30 January, I had a conversation with Paul Pluff, Director of Marketing Services at S&W about my massively screwed up 686 revolver. Google “new 686 feature” for the whole story. Note in the photo that the cylinder on my new gun had 6 chambers and 7 flutes. The thinnest chamber had only 40% of the thickness it should have had. I posted pics of the gun just after I bought it in late December and the issue was picked up by over 20 other shooting websites.

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At the end of my talk with Mr. Pluff, he told me he’d get back to me “in a day or two” with something that he thought would make up for the fact that I’d been sold an inherently unsafe revolver and had repeatedly been given the run-around by Customer Service. About six weeks later, I checked to see what was going on and he said he was “still working on it”, whatever “it” was. It’s the middle of August and I still haven’t heard anything. Apparently, Mr. Pluff has moved on and his promise to me has been forgotten. Keep in mind, I didn’t ask him for anything, it was his idea. When someone tells me, “We owe you and I’ll get back to you in a day or two”, I expect to get a call.

This is the most frustrating aspect of my experience with S&W’s Customer Service. The response, or sometimes lack of response, is extremely annoying. They tell me one thing and then change their minds. When I raise hell, they change their minds again. They promise something and then they don’t deliver unless I raise hell again.

I agreed to return the cylinder from my 686, even though I’d been told by a CS rep that I could keep it. I sent it back. I kept my word. It’s disappointing that S&W only keeps their word when a customer gets in their face. That is, until the next time.

When I tell someone, “I’ll get back to you” or “I’ll take care of it”, you can be sure I’ll do it. If I have a problem, I’ll stay in touch. That’s just common courtesy. When someone promises me something and doesn’t follow through, I tend to take it personally.

Now, here’s the best part: I posted this on S&W’s Facebook page and guess what? The post didn’t show up. It was deleted. Previous posts on this subject were allowed, but I guess they’ve changed their policy. It seems they don’t want their “Facebook friends” to read any complaints when they’ve dropped the ball and left a customer hanging.

My only resort is to post my experience on shooters’ forums. I know from past experience that S&W will react to negative publicity. It’s a shame, but that’s my only recourse.
 
Refresh my memory, did S&W not either repair or replace this revolver once you intially contacted them? Is the gun still unsafe to fire?

This is the most frustrating aspect of my experience with S&W’s Customer Service. The response, or sometimes lack of response, is extremely annoying. They tell me one thing and then change their minds. When I raise hell, they change their minds again. They promise something and then they don’t deliver unless I raise hell again.

I'm just curious what you are trying to get S&W to do; fix the gun, replace it or something else?
 
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Refresh my memory, did S&W not either repair or replace this revolver once you intially contacted them?
After a lot of contradictory responses and some outright lies, yes.

Is the gun still unsafe to fire?
Nope.

I'm just curious what you are trying to get S&W to do; fix the gun, replace it or something else?
I'd like it if they (and by "they" I mean Paul Pluff) would keep his word and call me as he promised he would.
 
If it had been me, I'd have contacted the lead guy in Revolver Repair, and not bothered trying to discuss repair specifics with the phone bank folks (customer service), or someone in marketing.

I also can't remember from your previous thread topic whether you ever actually returned to the revolver to them for warranty replacement of the cylinder. If not, why not?

This isn't something that needs to be bruited about and discussed at length via phone. The gun simply needs to be returned for corrective action under their warranty. You want attention for the sake of attention, or the gun put right?

It's not the first time something amiss slipped out a manufacturer's door, you know. Get it fixed (or replaced) and move on.

As far as waiting for someone to get back to you? Why'd you wait so long to hear something back? 6 weeks. Really? I can't begin to list the different companies (or entities, agencies, etc) from whom I've failed to hear back, professionally and personally ... in either a timely manner, or sometimes even at all ... when I'd originally called with a problem.

Granted, there have been some pleasant surprises when someone has stepped up and gotten back to me with an answer in a timely manner.

Nice goal to expect (hope for), though.
 
I can understand your frustration completely, as anyone would be getting the run-around treatment. I also see fault on your part for not checking back up with them until 6 months later. As many of us are, people get busy and sidetracked. Now I am not completely defending S&W, but I had a very pleasurable experience with their CS as many other have.

I also am wondering the same question Kreyzhorse asked, what did you expect from them? If it's their fault, which it appears it is, they should absolutely fix the problem any way they feel neccessary. Expecting an entirely new gun is a bit of a reach, but as long as they fix the problem there should be no issues.

Did they end up sending you a new cylinder?

Does it really suprise you that they deleted the negative post from their facebook page? Not me.
 
Posted by Smit:
I also am wondering the same question Kreyzhorse asked, what did you expect from them?

I expect a return call, since that's what was promised.

BTW, here's the way the gun looked what I got it back.

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Sorry you had a bad experience. I sent them a 29-10 for a massively crooked barrel. It was returned about 10 days later to my FFL, fixed, sporting a brand new frame. I didn't even call, just requested a return label online, described the problem in a letter included with the pistol and that was it.
 
the couple times ive called about orders i get dicked around, thank god ive never had to send one of mine in
 
I had a Smith 1911 that gave me massive problems. It was great for the first 1000 rounds, then I coudn't get through 1 magazine without the round being pushed straight down into the magazine. (Among other issues)

The gun ruined a lot of magazines, and was overall, totally unreliable. I sent it for repair 4 times. When I received it back the fourth time, I could immediately tell it was barely touched.

I called Smith and ran it up the flagpole as high as I could get. Helped that I worked for a dealer at the time. I finally got someone's supervisor's supervisor, and laid into him (politely) about my experience.

He was able to make an executive decision and replace my gun. Got the gun a few days later, sold it at the next gun show unfired, and bought a Kimber which has been VERY RELIABLE! What a concept.

So... short story long, I feel for you, and hope this is not a growing trend at S&W.

Currently, I am trying ot get some replacement springs for M&P 45 mags out of them. The mags are less than 300 rounds old and won't lock back the action. Gun is excellent though.

Oh well, sigh...
 
I was sorry to learn through a poster on another forum that Mr. Pluff's wife was killed in an auto accident on 7/21.
 
Ok, so they eventually fixed your gun and up graded the cylinder. So after some aggravation, at least it was fixed. I can understand how aggravating the whole issue was, I really can.

Obviously though, you are still waiting for something more than just a return call from S&W. I hope whatever it is you are looking for is worth the effort you have put into trying to get it.

Good luck.
 
I was a looonnngggg time lurker on the various gun boards, but I signed up expressly due to your initial post and issue with your gun...

I will be watching this thread as diligently...
 
Just to set the record straight:

I wasn't asking for any extra "swag" from S&W. I was just asking the guy who said he'd call me back to make his word good. If he couldn't do anything for me - which was his idea in the first place - that's fine. They already gave me the unfluted cylinder free. I'm happy with the gun the way it is.

I'm still a fan of S&W revolvers. I intend to buy a Mountain Gun in .45 Colt (if they ever do another production run) to go with the other four S&W wheelguns I have now.

Now, I understand Mr. Pluff's wife was killed about a month ago. Obviously, he has more important things to deal with than calling me.

Under the circumstances, I doubt I'll hear anything more from S&W on this subject.
 
How old are you ? Personally I think you were being a little childish about expecting a return call from a specific customer service rep. Getting back to you could have more than one meaning. How did you learn to send you gun in for refitting of a cylinder ?
 
Posted by Hook:
How old are you ?
I'm 66.

Personally I think you were being a little childish about expecting a return call from a specific customer service rep.
If you'd been paying attention, you'd have read that he was Director of Marketing Services at S&W, not just a CS rep. When a senior officer of a company makes a promise, I expect him to keep it.

Getting back to you could have more than one meaning.
So what? He didn't get back to me at all.
 
After rereading this several times, I get that you had your problem fixed but that you did not get to keep the mistake. If you wanted to keep it you should not have had it fixed!
 
So, if I read it correctly, first he lost his wife due to an accident, and then he vacated his position (due to who-knows-what).

And you are upset because he did not make your issue the #1 priority in his life?

Really?

Sometimes life throws us a curve ball. That is not his fault, your fault or anyone's fault. It is life. As long as we have a bit of understanding and do the best we can, it will all turn out okay.

The fact that life threw this guy one hell of a curve ball should not reflect poorly on the company.

Next time, take all factors into account. The world does not revolve around you.
 
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The poor guy just lost his wife, cut him a break. That is a terrible loss, I am sure he is going through a much tougher time right now then you are. You got your gun fixed, grow up and stop trying to get free stuff from them.
 
So what? He didn't get back to me at all.


It seems to me someone got back to you, else you would not have received instructions on returning the gun for repair. Perhaps the big shot had a minion contact you with the repair/return instructions, even under horrendous personal problems. Your expectations just seem odd to me as your revolver was repaired, and I have never had a revolver repaired by S&W without some sort of contact by them. I have always (both times on a 686 and a 627PC) been very happy with S&W customer service.
 
To the last four posters:

If you had bothered to read through the original thread and this one instead of making remarks in ignorance, you’d have known that:

1. Customer Service told me I could keep the defective cylinder (which shocked me; I never expected them to leave something like that floating around in the hands of someone they couldn’t control) and then told me they needed to have it back. I understood their position and returned it.

2. Mr. Pluff lost his wife 5 ½ months after he told me “I’ll get back to you on a day or two”. Up until then, he could have contacted me at any time.

3. I’ve already gotten “free stuff’ in the shape of an unfluted cylinder. I never asked for anything else. I didn’t ask the guy to call me back. I have no idea what he had in mind, but he didn’t follow through.

4. The repair/return instructions were handled by a “minion” and the gun was repaired and returned months before any “horrendous personal problems” became a factor.

And as I've already said, under the circumstances, I doubt I'll hear anything more from S&W on this subject.
 
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