Brian Pfleuger
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Never mind.
RULE II of Firearm Safety
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Rich Miranda
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This alone made this whole thread worthwhile! Scott, English major or not, you're coming along!
And with that, my friends, I think we can shut this one doooooooooowwn.
Your nice little analogy of the controlled/uncontrolled firing range is exactly where you and I will disagree. I hold personal responsibly paramount, and will not tolerate anyone else telling me what I can and cannot do. I will take that uncontrolled or laid back range any day of the week, because you simply cannot regulate responsibility. Those people on the controlled range are not responsible, they are doing what they are told. Those people on the uncontrolled range are responsible because they have the option to not be responsible.
I bet you love the government telling you what you can and cannot do as well, because it will make you "safer."
Many people here will probably echo this sentiment...
I bet you love the government telling you what you can and cannot do as well, because it will make you "safer."
Many people here will probably echo this sentiment...
scottaschultz
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OK, I know this will probably get deleted by the moderator for being a "personal attack" or I may even be booted off TFL for saying this, but that has got to be about the dumbest thing I have ever seen here!
Given a choice, I would rather come back alive from the supervised range than the alternative. Believe me, I did not feel this way about unsupervised ranges until I heard live fire while I was down range changing targets. These shooters can exercise their rights to be irresponsible all they want, but not while I am being covered by their muzzle! I don't wear OD any more, so one of the things that I absolutely will not tolerate being shot at in what is supposed to be a "safe" environment.
Tell ya what, come to St. Charles County and let me fire one, just one, over your head. I am pretty good so I probably won't miss. You willing to take that chance?
Scott
Edit: And as far as the government telling me what do do, they may have to pry my gun from my cold dead hands, but will probably have to pry me out of my 1999 Jeep Cherokee SUV that gets less than 20 mpg (on a good day) with over 230,000 miles on it in order to do it. If I am not driving that, I will be in my 1991 V8 245hp Corvette. I can snub the government as well as the next guy!
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Brian Pfleuger
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Scott,
You need to find some different gun owners to hang around with. The hunters/shooters/collectors that I know are far more responsible than the folks you are apparently familiar with. I have, in fact, not know more than 1 or 2 gun owners in my life that was I not completely comfortable being around.
troy_mclure
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i am a member at an unsupervised range, at this range i have never seen the irresponsible/dangerous stuff people mentioned here.
i used to shoot at lots of unsupervised indoor ranges, they were kinda sketchy sometimes.
i used to shoot at lots of unsupervised indoor ranges, they were kinda sketchy sometimes.
And yet for others (me) the use of a firearm is purely a survival decision. Same as the use of a knife, brick, shovel handle or any other improvised survival weapon. Morals, legality ethics or any other such is out the window when the life of my loved ones or myself is truly at risk...
Brent
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I think your original mistake, Scottashultz, was lumping CCW holders in with the bozos we all run in to, from time to time, at the range.
As a group CCW permitees are among the most responsible gun owners. Even if you don't wish to carry, I think you'd benefit from the class a great deal. Where operation of the firearm and tactics are concerned, extra training from a good instructor would be the way to go.
As a group CCW permitees are among the most responsible gun owners. Even if you don't wish to carry, I think you'd benefit from the class a great deal. Where operation of the firearm and tactics are concerned, extra training from a good instructor would be the way to go.
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