"Ruining meat"

Any caliber capable of taking down a deer will ruin meat it is a matter of hitting the deer in the right place.

You can shoot a deer in the arse with a .223 and have it run away and never find it and ruin all the meat or shoot a deer in the arse with a .270, knock it down and get another one into it in a place where one may actually want to shoot a deer.

The thing to do with this operation would be to go out and shoot a deer in a reasonable place such as the heart or lungs, kill it effectively with the first shot.
 
Thousand Pardons guys. All we can get in a factory round in .30-.30 here is the old round nose 150 grain bullets. I hadn't thought about it being a hand load. The caliber here is so popular that they are cheap enough that no one reloads for it, that I know of.

Just something I have noticed, I have used the Ballistic tip silver tips for a long time in .308, and have noticed that the bullet performs completely different between 2800 fps and 3000 fps. If I keep them loaded at around 2800 they perform really well, but if I try to drive them any faster, they tend to blow up on impact, and the wound looks a little like a hand grenade went off inside. At 2800 the bullet goes in one side, in a small hole, and comes out the other through a hole about the size of a tobasco bottle bottom.

The partition might be the same way. Might try bringing the charge down a little, and get better results.
 
Yin and Yang. People complain because they lose an animal and suspect the bullet did not perform properly or was not sufficiently powerful. People complain because the bullet levels the animal on the spot, but there is too much meat damage. Cake anyone?
 
If Nosler has discontinued this bullet, I can see why...........
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I hope Nosler never discontinues the Partition; it is the standard by which all bullets are judged. Partitions are not necessary for hunting deer with a .30-30, but might be nice to have if going after elk/moose with the same rifle. I’d stick to regular round nose/flat nose bullets for going after anything deer sized and smaller with a .30-30.

If I keep them loaded at around 2800 they perform really well, but if I try to drive them any faster, they tend to blow up on impact, and the wound looks a little like a hand grenade went off inside. At 2800 the bullet goes in one side, in a small hole, and comes out the other through a hole about the size of a tobasco bottle bottom.

The partition might be the same way. Might try bringing the charge down a little, and get better results.
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A Partition will not gernade. They were designed to stop the gernade factor when the first Magnum rifles came out that pushed bullets beyond the limits of what was available at the time. Partitions might shed their petals when impacting game above 3000 fps but the base will continue to penetrate through the animal retaining around 75% of the bullet weight. The great thing about the Partition over some of the newer bonded core and solid copper bullets out today is that it will still mushroom fully around 1800 fps. That is the great thing about Partitions is the velocity range in which they work.

As far as ruining meat, I like the full on broadside shot so that the only meat damage I get is in the ribs. The only animal I've ever shot intentionaly through both front shoulders is my bear. I didn't want to track a bear in the woods, I wanted him DRT so that is the only time I aimed for a high shoulder shot. It did the job shattered both shoulders and spine with a 200 grain Partiton out of a .30-06 at 202 yards DRT.

I'll take out a shoulder if that is the only shot presentable, but I only try to take one. If it is the near of far sid shoulder that presenst the best shot I'll take it because I know the animal will go down. If the deer gives me a full broadside shot I will not aim for the shoulders even though I know it is instant death, because that deer is just as dead with a double lung and or heart shot.

The caliber I've found that ruins the least amout of meat out of any of my rifles is my .50 Cal with round ball. I've never recovered a round ball from any of the deer I've shot, and you can pretty much eat right up to the hole on both sides. Something to be said for heavy and slow movers.
 
Bambi is small in our neck of the woods. Not too much meat on the shoulder. If i don't feel confident w/ the neck shot, I go for smack in the shoulder. I don't shoot behind the shoulder, cuz I hate it when bullets fragment on bone fragments and cuts the gut...:barf: So Neck or smack in the shoulder, and the trail is short. Done it w/ 300win mag, 7mm rem mag, 270, 25-06, 243, 22-250, 357 magnum, and bow and arrow. All wound up in the freezer just the same, including the 22-250, shot in the shoulder, and dropped dead in it's tracks. the longest trail w/ a rifle, about 50 yds. Longest trail w/ bow, about 75...BTW, I stick my arrows right in the middle of the shoulder as well....on deer and hogs. Shot 2 javelina w/ one shot through the shoulders @35yds. My wife watched me do it.
 
Just ruined a few more pounds than I would have liked this weekend. Slow mover, in the brush, missed a clean lung shot by few inches and did a number on the far side shoulder. Not a bad "miss", and my 307 isn't exactly gross overkill, but pushing blunt 30-30 bullets the extra few hundred fps does have issues on close range shots.

Here in PA we get a ration of one buck per year, and apply for limited doe tags. Combined buck/doe harvest is about one third of the 900,000+ hunters. Some in this thread live in a state with a 4 deer limit, and enjoy higher success rates. Erring on the side of overkill isn't necessarliy erring. But here, ruining a quarter or more of edible meat (before sharing with 2 hunting buddies) isn't my first choice... waste not want not.....
 
# of deer tags

In SE Nebraska( Blue Management unit) they give a bonus Antlerless deer on every tag. It is possible to get like 8 deer (2 buck Limit) during firearm season as long as permits don't run out for the area......... there is talk of next year requiring hunter to take a doe before they can take a buck in some of the special management areas............ to many deer, tomany car/deer interfaces, to much crop damage, and not enough meat hunters.
 
Castnblast - How much weight are you pulling on your bow? I have never heard of anyone actually arrowing the shoulder blade on purpose.
 
What's a deer tag?:p:D:D We can take three of each legally but we don't have tags. So if nobody sees you with one................................;)
 
70lbs. These are South Texas deer, about 150 live weight tops. The mid shoulder blade really isn't that tough to shoot through. I use Chizle point broadheads. Done it with both fixed and mechanicals. Some of the deer shot w/ mechanicals have broken a blade, but at least the other two stay intact. Next year I'll go back to the muzzy's. My kids will be older, and I won't have to worry about them sticking their fingers in my quiver, which is the only reason I went to mechanicals the last couple years.

The two javelinas I shot last year off my back porch were shot at 37 yds. the arrow went completely though all 4 shoulder blades and exited. I use heavy arrows thought. 10.1gr. per inch. Not the ultra light arrows. Makes a huge difference, and I shoot 100 or 125 gr. broadheads.
 
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