Ruger or Glock?

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Steve Smith

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No, I am not going over to the dark side, but a friend needs help with buying a .45, and a 1911 is probably not the best choice for him. I'm thinking Glock or Ruger. He is basically a new shooter, but I'm sure he's very capable. He's a master carpenter, and therefore won't have any complaints with recoil, that I can imagine. The .357 Sig round is another possibility. The gun will be mainly carried in his truck (in rural America, BTW) for personal protection. I believe the .357 Sig Glocks can be used with a .40 S&W barrel too? This would be a bonus. C'mon, yall, toss me some info!
 
Glock by a slim margin. The Glock 21 has excellent accuracy, low recoil, excellent durability (except for the plastic sights).

The Ruger P90 is a great gun too, but unlike the new P97 its accuracy is nothing special. Of the .45 Rugers, the P97 is the better model IMO. Like Glock, the Ruger has excellent durability, but recoil is a little more because the bore axis is a little higher. Accuracy on the P97 is not quite as good as the Glock, but its close.

Both Ruger and Glock are good choices. I would give Glock a slight edge.

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[This message has been edited by Mal H (edited August 31, 2000).]
 
wow! ditto what quantum said. glocks are 'bulletproof', but rugers are less expensive. Both are good guns. For a car gun i might go with a compact or subcompact (just for concealability). the G36 looks promising, but i haven't heard anything about it's real world performance.
 
If you go with Glock the G30 is the way to go. Just about everyone who has tried both say the 30 is more accurate. Most likely due to the site radius and better balance of the gun. Stay away from the 36 because for the slight decrease in size you gaive up 4 rounds of ammo per mag. You can only use the G36 mags in the 36 but in the 30 you can use the 13 round extaended ment for the 21.

The Ruger P97 (which I have also owned)is one hell of a gun for the money. A little harder to conceal than the 30 but not by much.

I carry the 30 now and it's a dream of a 45. I use to carry the P97 and although slightly larger, gave me no trouble carrying.

If he is just going to keep it in the truck then I would suggest the 97.
- It's less expensive.
- More durable, will last longer.
- Will shoot anything, including lead and wadcutters.
- Easier to maitain.

The only clear winner is the price difference. All the other plusses are only slight. Of course, this is all IMHO.

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Another consideration is the sucky legal laws that are starting to sprout up like the MA gun laws.

Therefore, with the newer legal model, Glock has the most to lose. Glock has the excellent consistent trigger pull with the first shot on up to the last. But eventually, if each shot is a 10 lb trigger pull, a lot of people won't like that.

On the other hand, guns with manual safeties and/or decocker levers have a strong advantage with the new laws. In this regard, Ruger would be better than Glock since the first shot would be a 10 lb da and the following shots would be single action.

I know this is a terrible consideration to consider, but it's here folks and coming on strong.

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Glock 30 all the way. The G21 is too large for carrying in a truck. The 30 is accurate, has excellent controlability and recoil. Avoid the G36. From what I have heard there have been some reliability issues. Besides, it is not that much smaller to justify locing 4 rounds. Besides, the thinner handle will transfer more perceived recoil to the web of the shooters hand. I carry a G30 for concealment and wouldn't give it up for anything.....except maybe a new one!
 
Regarding the Ruger/Glock durability:

To the gentleman that reported the Ruger to be more durable: what do you base this on?

I don't necessarily disagree, but I have never seen tests that would lead to this conclusion.

[This message has been edited by Quantum Singularity (edited August 31, 2000).]
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Quantum Singularity:
Regarding the Ruger/Glock durability:

To the gentleman that reported the Ruger to be more durable: what do you base this on?

I don't necessarily disagree, but I have never seen tests that would lead to this conclusion.

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I've had both Glocks and Rugers like them both. From my personal experience -- I've seen more broken Glocks than broken Rugers. Of course, that may be partly because I see more Glocks. Both of them are much less likely to break than other guns. I don't think the comparison really matters; they're solid, trouble-free guns.

Personally, I prefer the P-97 over the .45 Glock -- and have actually found the new Ruger .45 to have slightly better accuracy.
 
the way i think of it is Rugers are good guns for the money. Glocks are just good guns. if you can't afford a glock then go with a ruger but i don't think they're all that great.

i don't know if there is a ruger in .357sig but there are 3 glocks in that caliber. yes you can just pop in a .40cal barrel and it will shoot .40 since the barrel is the only difference between the 2 guns. for .45 the Glock 21 and 30 are both great guns. i have a G30 and its amazingly accurate, reliable and controlable especially for its size. it recoils much less than a full sized 1911.

also all glocks are easy to learn how to shoot since you only have to learn 1 trigger pull instead of both DA and SA on most rugers. from the day i bought my first glock i shot it more accurately than any other pistol i own. they point naturally for me and feel good in my hands. also i have never had 1 reliability problem with either of my glocks. glocks are extreemly durable (more than rugers) and will last several life times. also glocks are more reliable than rugers. i'm not saying rugers aren't reliable but glocks can do things that would cause rugers to jam. you can drop a glock in sand, dirt, mud, salt water or anything else and it will still work and not even rust. also you can drop a glock from 400 feet in the air or drive over it with a truck and it will still work. try doing that to a ruger.
 
Save up the money and buy the Glock. The Glock is a MUCH better gun.

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I sure wish this guy had web access, as he'd be able to ask questions. He's basically relying on me to help him choose, but in the end, he has to handle them and decide for himself. Thanks for the info, guys!
 
Glock is the most reliable out of the box gun made. It is simple to operate and maintain. They do not have 10lb triggers, most are about 5.5lb. When a Ruger has gone 175,000 rounds(with only a broken trigger reset spring and the gun will still shoot),the claim of durability may have merit. If your friend is really a novice shooter, then a decocker mechanism is the worst choice. I have witnessed 3 accidental discharges so far this year at competive matches, and all involved decockers. A quality double action only pistol or a revovler are the best choices for beginners.
 
What a choice!!!
After being Glocks most vocal critic, at least here, I was lured over to the Dark Side only this April. I now own both Glocks and Rugers. I give the edge to the Glock only because I now carry concealed 99% of the time, and the P95 is just too big for that chore. If your friend is going to eventually end up like me, and he likes the .45ACP, then tell him to get the Glock 30. Oh, and let's not be dissing the Dark Side, now I'll have to sic Darth Gaston on you!!! ;)

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 9x45:
Glock is the most reliable out of the box gun made. [/quote]

Thats certainly debatable. Don't get me wrong, I love my Glocks; however, my Sig Sauers have NEVER had ANY malfunctions (through 5,000 rounds between the two of them). Two of my three Glocks have had at least one. The G17 I own has had 5 malfunctions. My G21 has had one malfunction, while my G26 never has had any. I agree Glocks are ONE OF THE MOST RELIABLE, but I certainly wouldn't say they are the most.
 
Lets not get off track, here. He's not stuck on the .45, but he sees the advantage of carrying a heavier caliber. Price will be the ultimate consideration. If the Glock is within hiS PRICE RANGE, THEN THAT'LL BE THE ONE, OTHERWISE, HE'LL PROBABLY GET THE RUGER. (sorry, hit the caps lock).
 
Quantum, same statement applies. When a Sig goes 175,000 rounds... My Glocks are just breaking in, about 20,000 on the old G21, about 25,000 on the new one, about 7,000 on the G19, 3,000 or so on the G30, and barely 3,000 on the G17. By the way, 2 of the AD's I witnessed were Sigs, the other a Ruger. If you really want to see what guns work, and what doesn't, come out to any IDPA or IPSC match. But that's probably not important to Frontsights friend if cost is the only consideration.
 
Take what I'm about to say with a large grain of salt, I'm very inexperienced with carry weapons, but for what it's worth, I just shot my first Glock (45ACP, believe the 21) and a compact Kimber 45 today. I found that I didn't care for Glock triger, too much slop and movement (not really creep) before it fired. Much prefer the single action, my groups were about half the size with it. I also like a conventional safety rather than the trigger tab on the Glock. Again, just my very limieted experience talking, would probably learn to love the Glock, sounds like everyone else does.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 9x45:
Quantum, same statement applies. When a Sig goes 175,000 rounds... My Glocks are just breaking in, about 20,000 on the old G21, about 25,000 on the new one, about 7,000 on the G19, 3,000 or so on the G30, and barely 3,000 on the G17. By the way, 2 of the AD's I witnessed were Sigs, the other a Ruger. If you really want to see what guns work, and what doesn't, come out to any IDPA or IPSC match. But that's probably not important to Frontsights friend if cost is the only consideration. [/quote]


Oh don't get me wrong...Glocks are my favorite handgun. But, I have to be honest and say that in terms of reliability and accuracy, my Sig Sauers come on top--with the exception of .45 ACP where the Glock is more accurate. In almost every other area, the Glock is better.
 
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