Rubber slugs or Non Lethal means for yard defense

Rubber bullets and tasers can be lethal.
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Actually, people have died after being tased; but so far nobody has been successful in proving the Taser caused the death*. Rubber bullets on the other hand have unequivocally caused death and the people who sell them usually include warnings of the potential for death or serious bodily injury. So that is one way using a taser isn't like using rubber bullets. In either case, the people using those items usually receive specialized training on their appropriate use.


*There was an incident where a guy got tased and then fell and struck his head, causing him to die from the concussion; but none as a direct result of a taser.
 
The incident with Chase Sherman in Coweta County, Ga. In November of last year seems to be death by repeated tasing. Whether this has been litigated or not is unknown to me. There is certainly risk in using one, and to do so to prevent property theft is not one I am willing to take.
 
Actually, people have died after being tased; but so far nobody has been successful in proving the Taser caused the death
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A number of people die each year after being tased. The problem is a lot of these people are high on drugs and have other health problems which is often related to why they are getting tased.
 
In most states you would not be justified in firing any shot unless you are physically threatened with crippling injury or death. Rubber buckshot is a very bad idea. If you are justified in firing that load you are justified in using lead shot. Pepper spray is a way to avoid using deadly force and can be used only when you are in fear of physical harm. Also realize there are people who are unaffected by pepper spray so it is not always successful. Neither can be used as retribution for a crime against property. If you do that the bad guy has a very good chance in civil court and could take everything you have. If you suspect someone breaking into your vehicle the best and probably most prudent thing is to get their plate number while calling the local police, give them a description and let them deal with the bad guys. This is for actions outside the home but once they kick in the door or come through a window all bets are off. It back gets back to the ability, opportunity, and jeopardy aspect of lethal force.
 
The point about rubber shot not being bouncy and soft is important.

Rubber slugs and shot are hard and stiff, what is less damaging is that they are light weight and low density. a rubber shot cant ordinarily penetrate flesh because the density is too low, and it encounters too much resistance from the target. the same weight of lead shot at the same veliocity will have far less resistance and will penetrate far more easily.

I've been smacked around by tennis balls for years. If a lead ball that weighs as much as a tennis ball hit me at the same speed as a tennis ball reaches, It's going to really leave a mark.
 
Here in MS castle doctrine includes your vehicle.
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That doesn't mean you can use deadly force to protect the vehicle from theft.

It just means you have no duty to retreat from your vehicle or your home before using deadly force to defend yourself or another.
 
If the vehicular statutes there are consistent with others, the statute only applies if you are defending yourself, while in contact, for lack of a better word, with your vehicle. You must be in it, or have entered or left it, and be in the vicinity. There has to be some connection to the vehicle in the incident that involves immediate danger to yourself, not necessarily just to the car.

So, according to what I have read of castle laws, they are for defense of self, not necessarily defense of property, but that's not necessarily the case. Many include threat of extreme danger of damage to property. All of the states have different subtle variations,

The bottom line is that your local laws define what you can do. It's dangerous to presume anything. We're talking about so many things here, lethal vs less than lethal, in and out of the home, defense of property vs defense of self, etc.

You should carefully read and understand your local statutes, and work on the laws from any local states that you may visit.
 
lethal vs less than lethal
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There is no such thing. There's "lethal' and there's "less lethal".......... anything "less THAN lethal" would pose no risk of being fatal.

Improper terminology leads to improper understanding, and as shown by this thread, improper use (or at least the idea of improper use).
 
well, the man has a point there, doesn't he? Rubber rounds to the head will be capable of cracking the skull and giving a concussion or even a hemorrhage. Hit in certain areas can cause arterial tears that would bleed a person out internally after a certain amount of time. Any hit anywhere could cause bleeding and clots that could travel to the heart or brain.

They're not going to bounce off harmlessly, they are going to hammer whoever they hit like a flying golf ball, and they may not penetrate, but the things have a lot of momentum that will be dumped in small areas of soft tissues.
 
What you should be saying is "less LIKELY to be lethal". And while it may be a fact, it may not matter to the law.

IF it comes out of the barrel of a gun, it CAN KILL. (people have been killed by blanks!). No matter what the projectile actually is, the law may recognize only that, coming from a gun, it is deadly force.

The law varies a bit, but in most places, one is only justified in shooting (using deadly force) to prevent the same being used on you. Cops and rubber bullets, or any other riot control means, DOES NOT APPLY to you and I.

If you shoot someone, deliberately, with "less likely to be lethal" rounds, then you are not convinced that lethal force is needed. IF you are not convinced it is needed, then you are not justified in using it. Which means you are not justified shooting someone.

And when you are not justified shooting someone, the law considers that assault, at the very least.

Shooting someone with rubber buckshot, or any other similar thing might just end with you in prison, a convicted FELON.

Not a good idea, I would think.
 
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