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Rifle scope
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huntfisheat
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It is 4-12X50 and 5-25X50, not 4X12-50 and not 5X25X50. When you substitute the actual words the X and - symbols are shorthand for you'll understand.
4-12X50 reads 4 times to 12 times magnification with a 50mm objective.
4X12-50 would read fixed 4 times magnification, with a 12mm to 50mm variable objective.
5X25X50 is a scope with only 5 times magnification and 25 times magnification with nothing in between and a 50mm objective.
The scope you have will work for now, when you have the skills to shoot at 1000 yards you'll have a much better idea which scope to use. Start saving because it will cost at least double what you paid for the rifle. And there is nothing wrong with your rifle. It is a lot easier and cheaper to make a 1000 yard rifle than a 1000 yard scope.
4-12X50 reads 4 times to 12 times magnification with a 50mm objective.
4X12-50 would read fixed 4 times magnification, with a 12mm to 50mm variable objective.
5X25X50 is a scope with only 5 times magnification and 25 times magnification with nothing in between and a 50mm objective.
The scope you have will work for now, when you have the skills to shoot at 1000 yards you'll have a much better idea which scope to use. Start saving because it will cost at least double what you paid for the rifle. And there is nothing wrong with your rifle. It is a lot easier and cheaper to make a 1000 yard rifle than a 1000 yard scope.
ShootistPRS
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4 - 12 x 50 reads 4 to 12 power with a 50mm objective lens.
4x12x50 is an error but might be correct as 4x - 12x 50
4x12x50 is an error but might be correct as 4x - 12x 50
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Start handloading as you need extremely consistent ammunition for when you have the skills to dope conditions beyond a few hundred yards.
If you want or need to range your targets you'll probably prefer first focal plane type scope instead of the second focal plane you now have. SFP does not obscure the center of the target as much which is preferable when shooting known distance. I don't believe you'll find 12x adequate with that optic. It would be difficult to see even a two-minute plus target (24") at that range because of the lack of clarity of the glass- and no one shoots target at that range with a 12x.
You'll want 24x and more for the top end on a variable, just dial it down when conditions require (mirage).
Nightforce Benchrest models are 8-32 and 12-42 to give you an idea...
More magnification is always better for when conditions permit.
Aim small, miss small.
Trying to see a 12" gong at 1000 yards with a 10x is akin to hitting a quarter dollar at 100 yards with zero magnification. Good luck with that....
Start handloading as you need extremely consistent ammunition for when you have the skills to dope conditions beyond a few hundred yards.
If you want or need to range your targets you'll probably prefer first focal plane type scope instead of the second focal plane you now have. SFP does not obscure the center of the target as much which is preferable when shooting known distance. I don't believe you'll find 12x adequate with that optic. It would be difficult to see even a two-minute plus target (24") at that range because of the lack of clarity of the glass- and no one shoots target at that range with a 12x.
You'll want 24x and more for the top end on a variable, just dial it down when conditions require (mirage).
Nightforce Benchrest models are 8-32 and 12-42 to give you an idea...
More magnification is always better for when conditions permit.
Aim small, miss small.
Trying to see a 12" gong at 1000 yards with a 10x is akin to hitting a quarter dollar at 100 yards with zero magnification. Good luck with that....
No, it would be the same as looking at a quarter at 100 yards at 10X. Not ideal, but quite doable.tobnpr said:Trying to see a 12" gong at 1000 yards with a 10x is akin to hitting a quarter dollar at 100 yards with zero magnification. Good luck with that....
I have no problem seeing a 18" wide IPSC target at 1000 yards with a 3.5X PU scope, a 12" plate with 10X would be easier.
I have a fixed 36X Leupold on a .243 Varmint rifle, and it is not ideal. Field of View is tiny, takes a lot of practice to find the target quickly, and the eye relief sweet spot is pretty small, if your head is not in EXACTLY the right spot, you cant see a damn thing. Mirage can also be a problem, and unlike a quality variable, you can't back it down a bit to get a clearer view.cw308 said:Would you think of a fixed powder , if so Weaver T24 or T36 .
Fixed power scopes were an advantage back before manufacturing advancements made variables more reliable.
You can get your feet wet with the scope you have, you just may need to get a tapered base to get enough elevation to get to 1000.
Leupold is the easy button for that, you can get rings and the tapered base for about $50:
$50 for bases and rings and you are good to go for as far as you can see.
https://ads.midwayusa.com/product/364019/leupold-1-piece-standard-long-range-scope-base
https://ads.midwayusa.com/product/1362138899/leupold-standard-rings
They are not "Tacticool" but they work fine.
A Ruger American Predator is a hunting rifle with an 18" barrel. Not a target rifle. Using it to shoot targets at 1,000 yards will frustrate the Hades out of you. Be just dandy for deer out to 300 though.
And a 4×12-44 is too much scope for a deer rifle. Mostly about the weight (17.2 ounces) and 12X having just 8.4 feet field of view at 100 yards.
Like jmr40 says, it'll do for now, but if you want to shoot targets at 1,000 yards, you need a better rifle.
And a 4×12-44 is too much scope for a deer rifle. Mostly about the weight (17.2 ounces) and 12X having just 8.4 feet field of view at 100 yards.
Like jmr40 says, it'll do for now, but if you want to shoot targets at 1,000 yards, you need a better rifle.
"Like jmr40 says, it'll do for now, but if you want to shoot targets at 1,000 yards, you need a better rifle."
All the current hype about "shooting 1000 yards" is fun but not do-able for most and most certainly a lofty goal using "budget equipment". I have thousand yard capable rifles and they weren't cheap. Unfortunately, age has dulled my skills and that long range capability is only half what it once was.
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All the current hype about "shooting 1000 yards" is fun but not do-able for most and most certainly a lofty goal using "budget equipment". I have thousand yard capable rifles and they weren't cheap. Unfortunately, age has dulled my skills and that long range capability is only half what it once was.
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All the current hype about "shooting 1000 yards" is fun but not do-able for most and most certainly a lofty goal using "budget equipment". I have thousand yard capable rifles and they weren't cheap.
Really depends on what he is trying to do, doesn't it.
Here is a news flash, pretty much any centerfire rifle larger than 6mm made since the introduction of the 8×50mmR Lebel in 1886 is a "thousand yard capable rifle" Obvious exceptions exist, like the .30-30, but most of them will get there just fine.
The Ruger American Predator is certainly capable, provided he has a load that stays supersonic over 1000 yards. It has a heavier barrel, so it should tolerate long strings better than a traditional sporter, but obviously not as well as a heavy target rifle. All he needs is anough elevation on his scopt to get there, which I provided the $50 solution for above.
I would suggest staying with your current scope.
It is surely capable of getting you to 1000 yards.
If need be put a 20 MOA base on it.
Note, the OP said getting to 1000 yards, not that he's entering 1000 yards benchrest competition. HUGE difference.
I don't think we need to worry about strings.
It is surely capable of getting you to 1000 yards.
If need be put a 20 MOA base on it.
Note, the OP said getting to 1000 yards, not that he's entering 1000 yards benchrest competition. HUGE difference.
I don't think we need to worry about strings.
Thank you everyone for your information. I am a former marine and was able to put 10 shots on a dog target center with a m16 a1 with iron sight at 500 yards. So i feel i am capable of a 1000 yard shot but the eyes are not as young as they use to be. Not really looking to compete except maybe with my self . As long as the scope can do the job and not break the band will be enough for me.
You'll want 24x and more for the top end on a variable, just dial it down when conditions require (mirage).
Nightforce Benchrest models are 8-32 and 12-42 to give you an idea...
I have the 8 to 32 NF in a Target dot.
I wanted the 42 but the 32 was already breaking the bank beyond my pain limits.
Shot a 300 meter range a while back and did well with my 06 (sub 1/2 MOA)
When I could I was full up o n the 32.
Light conditions and mirage at times I did have to dial back.
So the poster for that has a good handle on it me thinks.
At one time I could shoot a nats eye out at 25 yards with a pistol (iron sight)
Now its a huge struggle to get 2.5 inches as the blurr is bad.
Funny thing, nothing gets better or easier as you get older.
A "middle of the road" hunting scope on a price point hunting rifle at 1000 yards?????
Yes.
Again, not it really depends on what he is wanting to do. I have shot 1000 yards with a Mosin Nagant with a 3.5x scope. I guarantee you his American Predator is more accurate them my Mosin, and his scope has more power and better glass than something made by the Soviets at the height of WW2.
He is not going to win any benchrest group size records, be if he is wanting to ring steel at 1000 yards, or even shoot a F-Class match, that rile and scope are capable, provided he has the elevation to get on target, which, as I mentioned, can be fixed for about $50.
Sure Shot Mc Gee
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Like a rifle. A scope is only as good as its prospective buyers willingness to open his wallet.
I myself have never considered anything other than Leupold brand since day one.
I do promote and have always believed all those Far East made scopes so hurriedly put together Blue Light Specials in a handsome looking box. But~~ that's just me.
I myself have never considered anything other than Leupold brand since day one.
I do promote and have always believed all those Far East made scopes so hurriedly put together Blue Light Specials in a handsome looking box. But~~ that's just me.