Rifle in JFK's Oval Office?

I believe Lyndon Johnson was also in the Navy, but I don't know what his status was.
LBJ joined the Naval Reserve in 1940 and became the first Congressman to volunteer for active military service on Dec 9, 1941; he had been elected to House at that point and was serving on the Naval Affairs Committee. He was commissioned as a Lieutenant Commander (LCDR) and did a tour of duty in the Pacific inspecting naval bases and filing reports on base status, equipment stockpiles, combat readiness, etc. Basically, he served as somewhat of an unofficial attache to the Congressional committee on which he served.

IIRC during one of his base visits, he wound up on a combat mission on a USAAF B-26 Marauder along with some Army inspections officers. What happened next is disputed. At least one bomber was shot down with aircrew losses, and several other bombers took fire, but some records show that the plane carrying Johnson turned back due to mechanical problems before reaching the combat area. LBJ always claimed his plane took fire, but he was famous for not letting the truth get in the way of a good story. :rolleyes: He was awarded the Silver Star, but none of the other aircrew aboard the airplane were awarded anything. IIRC I've read one historian describe it as "the most undeserved Silver Star in Naval history." :rolleyes:

LBJ left active duty and rejoined the Reserve in 1942. He was promoted to Commander in 1949 and resigned from the service in 1964.

More here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_B._Johnson#War_record
http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq60-6.htm
http://www.b-26mhs.org/archives/manuscripts/lbj_fake_silverstar.html
 
Yeah, after I posted I went and looked it up (didn't look him up in the first round as I was supposed to be on a conference call :D)

Sounds like while it was completely undeserved, he actually did do the war effort some good with his recommendations and later work.
 
By the way, check out the body language between Johnson and Kennedy...

That's not Johnson...Johnson isn't in any of the more recently posted pictures. Unless you were talking about the very first picture of the thread, which IS Johnson....but it's pretty typical of the pushy Johnson and more quiet/reticent Kennedy.
 
'You can bet that rifle has long since disappeared!'

Hopefully not. If it was displayed in the Oval Office I'd think it was a high visibility item and would have been noticed if it went missing.

Those items received as gifts to the president are generally considered to be the property of the United States if they come from a foreign dignitary. Certain gifts are eligible for purchase by the president/first lady,

If received from a US citizen, they are generally considered to be the property of the president but will generally go into that president's library collection.

It could have been different when Kennedy was in office as the law was apparently substantially changed in 1966.

If similar procedures were observed when Kennedy was assassinated, the rifle would either be retained in the National Archives or would be at his presidential museum in its collections.
 
In the set of four pictures that Ram It posted, the next to the last one, that's Robert McNamarra (sp?), Secretary of Defense and former Ford Motor Company "whiz kid" in the middle between the general and Kennedy.


And yes, that certainly looks like Jennings Randolph. The name tickled my memory, but I wouldn't have been able to tell you exactly who he was.
 
In the set of four pictures that Ram It posted, the next to the last one, that's Robert McNamarra (sp?), Secretary of Defense and former Ford Motor Company "whiz kid" in the middle between the general and Kennedy.
McNamara, one "m". And the other man in the picture is Gen. Maxwell Taylor, the Chairman of the JCS under Kennedy.
 
only a guess

Those items received as gifts to the president are generally considered to be the property of the United States if they come from a foreign dignitary. Certain gifts are eligible for purchase by the president/first lady,

I would hazard a guess someone in the Kennedy family has possession of that firearm.
 
Well, that didn't take long...

Dear Mr. Pfleuger:

The rifle that hung in President Kennedy's Oval Office was a Spencer Carbine rifle. It was given to President Kennedy on his birthday, May 29, 1963 by the United States Army in recognition of President Kennedy's interest in the American soldier. The Spencer carbine rifle was one of the most popular firearms of the Civil War.

I am attaching a low resolution image of the rifle to this e-mail. I am also CCing our Audio Visual archivist, Laurie Austin as she might have a photograph of the presentation ceremony of the rifle to President Kennedy.

If you have any further questions on the rifle, please let me know.

Sincerely,



Heather L. Joines
Museum Specialist

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"Makes me wonder where the M-16 Kennedy is examining is at now.
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Looks like an SP1 to my old eyes.
 
Thanks a bunch Brian (and All) as not only was the OP answered but a ton more (completely unexpected) was learned and much appreciated :) !

-Cheers
 
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Can you imagine Obama getting a gun?...

OK, I'll bite--No (I realize it's rhetorical ;)). The current POTUS even refused Colt's traditional offering of a pair of customized 1911's (not that it should come as a surprise to anyone--I'm just sayin'). Absent opining and being solely empirical here, it's obvious that the JFK-like Democrat (relative in this thread to the Second Amendment only) are rare indeed compared to his generation and, perhaps, not to be seen again in terms of their Presidential nominee.

Conversely, I do not believe his potential/possible successor will do likewise but happily accept the Colt's...Hopefully (just my opinion) we get the opportunity to see Colt resume it's tradition (he says with toes and fingers both crossed :)).

***Correction***: Actually it appears as though from what I can tell in this link that President Clinton was the only POTUS on record to officially decline Colt's traditional offering--It does not state for the record either way pertaining to President Obama. I am interested in determining this and will see what I can officially find and update accordingly.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/08/21/marines-return-to-colt/
 
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