Required Training for Gun Owners.

FUD,
You ever figure maybe the guy was just messin' with ya? Some people are funny like that, they entertain themselves by being contrary sometimes.
 
Ernesst: re: "I immediately identify myself to him as a NRA Certified Pistol Safety Instructor and tell him I am giving him a mini lesson for free"

THIS is exactly what I want to do. Am trying to get the time to get certified as NRA Pistol & Pers Protection instructor, and then want to offer monthly free or low-cost classes, as a public service. It's a great idea, imo.

tuc22: THAT'S the spirit! Don't care, don't get involved, don't work to make things better! It's what didn't make America great :( Sorry, I have to disagree with your very simple but revealing statement.
 
I would have incredulously asked him if he really feels comfortable trusting his life to something that has NEVER been tested?? Would he fly in an airplane that had never been test flown merely because the engineers have never had trouble in the past? How does he know it will feed what's in it?? Is this guy nuts?
I am a proponent of voluntary self-policing training. As in gun shop owners telling people to put a few hundred rounds through to "break in" the gun and make sure you can depend on it when your life is on the line. Things like, when people buy hollowpoints; "Hey make sure you run a few mags of these through your pistol to make sure they feed reliably" Yeah, that can be expensive with a 14 round mag, but is your life worth it? The first time I bought hollow points, I remarked on how expensive they were compared to FMJ and the clerk said, how much is your life worth to you? He may or may not have been trying to sell more ammo, but it makes you think about what that gun is there for.
It's a persons individual responsibility to practice with their firearms and maintain them. Especially the one they carry. Firearm training should be part of the public education system. It should be ingrained into people's heads that their lives are their own responsibility. Education, not legislation is the key here. We as responsible gun owners can speak up when we hear someone talk like that or see someone handling a firearm irresponsibly. Heck it probably happens to every "newbie" and most of us have had someone correct our handling. A friend, relative, parent, gun store clerk, range officer, etc.

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The first step is registration, the second step is confiscation, the final step is subjugation.
 
I tell you what, though - with carry that doesn't require licencing/training, Vermont must be hell!!


Battler.

[This message has been edited by Battler (edited July 26, 2000).]
 
I would like to think that when people are given a lot of freedom, they exercise the proper responsibility that goes along with it and the more that you "babysit" somebody, the less responsible they become -- might not be true in ALL cases but I would HOPE that it's true for MOST.
 
Well, FUD, if we use The Firing Line as an example of your theory, you are absolutely right. MOST of the members of TFL are very responsible with their postings, however that is not true in ALL cases. Hence the need for more moderators which arose about six months ago.

The thing that I think we should do as responsible firearms owners is to make it easy on the ones that don't know any better; which brings me back to a somewhat famous line: "Share what you know, learn what you don't."


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RKBA!
"The people have the right to bear arms for their defense and security"
Ohio Constitution, Article I, Section 4
Concealed Carry is illegal in Ohio.
Except for Hamilton County until August 11th.
Ohioans for Concealed Carry Website
 
Covert,

"That's why, despite the 1st amendment, you can't yell "FIRE!" in a crowded theatre."

Ah, but you can - IF there's a fire. A (perhaps) nit, but a very distinct nit. Sorry, a hot button personally for me. & that does tie directly into the personal responsibility aspects of this discussion.

Yes, I do train newbies (& oldbies as well when I see that they aren't praticing safe firearm handling - have had a couple very "wordy" discussions with some former hunting buds [emphasys on former as they didn't "get it"]) ....

But, who is it that will decide what that "minimum level of training" is & exactly what will be the training requirement? That's where my obtuse nature comes into play.

Some yahoo bew-a-rat that's never touched a firearm (or even that guy, from another thread, who thinks issuing Mini 14s to all LEOs is The Answer) coming up with a course of training doesn't fly with me. Aside from the training quite possibly being totally worthless (as is our current driver's test for a license), the potential for abuse is too great - and, with zip as a return.

A poster (above - sorry, I dint quote you) mention all the problems Vermont has. Pretty much enough said. And I will go one further .... our county up here in north CO has zip for training requirements above & beyond what you'd get in a basic hunters' safety course (pretty much BS in all actuality really) but, no probs to date & I fully expect it to stay that way.

Why? Because those of us who actually do go through the hoops to obtain a CCW are some of the most responsible people there are.

A bit of a ramble, I know, but just got tagged for a Sat show & have to do the quick dump & get out ....
 
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