Reporting Unethical/Illegal Hunting Posts

[QUOTEFirst off, ethics are subjective.][/QUOTE]

But hunger is subjective. (!)

[QUOTE1) stealing an ATV and selling it
2) siphoning gas for the truck
3) killing a cow and butchering it]
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Hmm, ATV's are private property, someone worked and paid for it.
Gas is private property.
Haven't seen any wild cows lately, have you?

If deers belong to everybody, why couldn't I be considered to be one of *everybody*? Who would be the victim if I took one and fed the fam with it?

Two guys walk into court, one charged with robbing a store or stealing an ATV, and one guy poached a deer, both say to feed the fam with...I'd be inclined to convict the thief, and let the poacher walk. You've made a bad analogy.

The man who poaches is less of a drain on the system than the couch potato who goes and gets food stamps. Maybe the food stamp office should give out rifle ammo instead of supermarket ammo?:D

I argue for entertainment purposes here! Just looking at the other side of the coin. I do not condone breaking the law or poaching if there is any other way. I came close to going to take a deer before. No cable tv, but my cell phone was still on. My work comes over that phone though. Should I have spent the cell phone money on food and let the phone go? What about tomorrow?? Luckily the phone rang and boom, I had food money. No deer needed. We got by. I would have felt justified in taking the deer though. Is it not my planet too? It wouldn't have been trophy hunting, or pelts for profit, just food. What the heck is wrong with that?

Only the Law. If subjectivity has no place here (because of the law) then why do we need judges? They could set up a pay center like a vending machine and save the judges payroll.:D

Relax! Just debate here.
 
That is how I look at it....
I don't want the gubmint/FDR handouts. I don't "steal" for 2 reasons... one it is wrong and I was taught better and the other is I want to be able get a hair crossways in my ass mad when some one steals from me. I would get a deer before ever stealing from people or business...
Brent
 
I can agree to disagree.

It is a really slippery slope to decide it is OK for 1 person to do something illegal. If it is OK for 1, why not 2 or 3 or everyone? I guess with this line of logic, there is no reason to have any regs - no licenses, no seasons, no bag limits. We have more deer now because there are regs.

Good discussion. I tried to be as civil as possible presenting my side, as have the counter-posters.

Dave
 
I love to debate...
In some areas deer are so plentiful that it would not hurt the population any to lose a decent percentage to "poachers". CWD is directly related to overpopulation. Here in Florida we have a very liberal baglimit and thus have a very low rate of CWD.... But we do have plenty of deer... Our population of hogs is under control since they do so much damage to crops. I would rather have pork (family just don't understand how tasty venison is...) but meat is meat... I do not look to go 100% venison, just to offset the food bill is enuff fer me to afford to but other groceries...
Brent
 
I know what you mean

Reminds me of the time I took out that charging grizzly sow with a perfectly placed shot out of my 380 auto
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Once when I was young, I took out a charging grizzley with my 22 mag NAA minimag at 150 yards....or was I dreaming???
 
Ethics 101
Socrates taught that laws are there to control unethical people. Ethical people have no need of laws.

If the law says that a given act is not allowed, people somewhere have decided that it is in society's best interest to ban that behavior. Murder, assault, theft (poaching is a kind of theft), larceny, etc, are undesirable for a variety of reasons. But the initial question in this thread was 'should someone be reported for illegal behavior', and I believe that yes, lawbreakers should be reported to the authorities. But since it appears that no crime was committed (almost a given, since he was hunting with a guide on a reserve), it appears that there is a personal issue involved, and my advice would be to just let it go.
 
Thanks Fellas!

This thread is a great example of why I come to this web site.There is some serious wisdom wizzed here and a geuine civil debate,discussion on most any subject that comes up.To the Question if the great state of Tennessee has decided that a 9mm is legal to hunt Hogs with then so be it Imo it is stupid as I have seen more than 1 dog and a couple of people pretty well gnawed up by Hogs that were not done for properly and a 9mm just dosent seem like enough gun no matter how many rounds it carries.And that is not taking into consideration the ethical side of hunting ELMO:)
 
Getting away from the thread topic--which has been common throughout :) --and on to a couple of points just to ponder:

First, many "lesser" cartridges kill, but not necessarily quickly--and we then get into "ethically" and "humanely".

Then, we get into attitudes: Bambi is a Noble Beast, deserving of that quick, clean, humane ethical kill. We've said that here, a gazillion times, right? Okay: Feral hogs are pests. I can see from the tone of posts about hunting them that they don't cause that Noble Beast emotion, which then affects attitudes about what is an appropriate cartridge.

No big deal; just something to consider.

Back to my coffee...

Art
 
Art, Good point to make... I do consider ferral hogs a pest as are ferral cats... As a nuisance wildlife permit holder I see them as nothing more than roaches... I do try for a clean kill with every pull of the trigger and will not hunt with less than satisfactory caliber and bullet weight. A .22lr has limitations when cat hunting and a .30-30 or shotgun slug do too when used for deer hogs or other larger game. Deer are in high enuff population that they could easily be considered pests. I know them snooty homeowners that call for ferral hog removal also lose plenty of shrubbery to deer. I just can't target them as I can the hogs...:D
Brent
 
I personally would sell my computer and cancel my internet access if I did not have the legal means to feed my family.

A criminal, who in his own mind is justified, is still a criminal.
 
A lot of my work comes over the internet also. Should I do the right thing and let the work source go, just so I don't have to take a deer that belongs to everyone except me?:rolleyes:

It all comes down to situational ethics no matter how you look at it. I guess thats why there are judges and juries. The poacher with a 10K can beer can collection should get punished, whereas the father of 5 that works 2 jobs and still can't keep them fed may be deserving of a break.
 
I would sell my puter and cancel my net service too... to buy ammo... A ten year old puter is worth 100 bucks... MAYBE and I pay 10 bucks fer innernet service... So I can buy a hundred bucks worth of beef, how far will that go? Or a hundred bucks worth of slugs and buckshot and over time supply my family with thousands of dollars worth of venison... A violation of a game law does not a criminal make... But as for me and mine we haven't had to resort to this... YET. As a kid we ate lots of out of season deer to stave off hunger.
Brent
 
I have a cape. I can fly, after I jump in a phone booth and put on my Capitan Cankersore suit. I then ignore FAA rules, barnstorm senior centers and kindergartens in my diabolical efforts to scare the frail and helpless out of their skivvies. Oh, BTW I am responsible for the Lindbergh Kidnapping, too. Whataya gonna do, report me?

For folks afflicted with Hall Monitor Complex I would suggest a career in law enforcement. Go to work for a good sized city with a real ghetto and a high violent crime rate. You'll overdose on 'other people's business' and 'stories made up to get attention' in the first six months.

You'll also develop a special place in your heart for people who allege that others have committed crimes- based on nothing other than smack-talk and hearsay.
 
oldbillthundercheif

I shot a pig earlier this month out at Pearl River WMA with my .40 you want to call LDWF on me. Do you know by their laws/rules I wasn't allowed to hunt pigs with a rifle. Go figure that out.
 
Sarge
You'll overdose on 'other folks business' and 'stories made up to get attention' in the first six months.
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You nailed it! That was my thought as soon as I read the OP. Who was harmed? Feral pigs are a nusance. And this happened on a reserve. Some people need to choose their battles more carefully, IMHO. :rolleyes:
 
"Hall Monitor Complex": Luvvit! I'm gonna steal it...

I won't lock this, since I've been as much of a pest as anybody, but why don't we just quit, now? Pretty please?

:D, Art
 
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