Rep. Cruz should be hung from the tree of Liberty?

OK....

Lets just kill everyone who thinks differently from you or I or him or her.:D Mouthing platitudes makes it OK.

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Besides, if it had said he should be lynched, it would be one thing; but his sign calls for Cruz to be hung from a figurative tree.
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The Liberty Tree was much more than "figurative" to the colonists whose efforts made it possible for us to even have discussions like this one. You gather at the Liberty Tree of today every time you log onto the Internet.

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The Sons of Liberty tarring and feathering a tax collector underneath the Liberty Tree
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What Was "The Liberty Tree"?

In Boston, Massachusetts during 1765, individuals calling themselves the "Sons of Liberty" gathered under a large elm tree, corner of Essex Sreet and Orange Street, to protest the hated Stamp Act imposed by the British Government. The Stamp Act was more than a revenue-raising tax imposed upon the colonists from distant London; it was also a means of censorship, or a "knowledge tax," on the rights of the colonists to write and read freely since it applied to papers, newspapers, advertisements, and other publications and legal document. The "Sons of Liberty" concluded their protest by hanging tax collectors in effigy from the tree they had gathered under. From that day forward, the tree became known as "the Liberty Tree."

In the year that followed, almost every American town had its own Liberty Tree---a living symbol of popular support for individual liberty and resistance to tyranny. When the British later seized Boston in 1775, they cut down the original Liberty Tree and used it for firewood. This act only further enraged the colonists. As resistance to the British grew, flags bearing a representation of the Liberty Tree were flown to symbolize the unwavering spirit of liberty. These flags were later a common sight during the battles of the American Revolution.

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Liberty Tree

A song, written early in the American Revolution
by Thomas Paine, 1775

In a chariot of light from the regions of day,
The Goddess of Liberty came;
Ten thousand celestials directed the way,
And hither conducted the dame.

A fair budding branch from the gardens above,
Where millions with millions agree,
She brought in her hand as a pledge of her love,
And the plant she named Liberty Tree.

The celestial exotic struck deep in the ground,
Like a native it flourished and bore;
The fame of its fruit drew the nations around,
To seek out this peaceable shore.

Unmindful of names or distinctions they came,
For freemen like brothers agree;
With one spirit endued, they one friendship pursued,
And their temple was Liberty Tree.

Beneath this fair tree, like the patriarchs of old,
Their bread in contentment they ate
Unvexed with the troubles of silver and gold,
The cares of the grand and the great.

With timber and tar they Old England supplied,
And supported her power on the sea;
Her battles they fought, without getting a groat,
For the honor of Liberty Tree.

But hear, O ye swains, 'tis a tale most profane,
How all the tyrannical powers,
Kings, Commons and Lords, are uniting amain,
To cut down this guardian of ours;

From the east to the west blow the trumpet to arms,
Through the land let the sound of it flee,
Let the far and the near, all unite with a cheer,
In defense of our Liberty Tree.

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After the work mentioned in this newspaper article was completed, a large copper plate was fastened to Liberty Tree and inscribed with the following words: This tree was planted in the year 1646, and pruned by order of the Sons of Liberty, Feb. 14th, 1766.

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By the way, the last Liberty Tree was felled in 1999 and was located in Annapolis, Maryland on the grounds of St. John's College. READ THE STORY HERE It was over 400 years old. The wood was collected and is being used for various purposes including THIS ONE if you are in the mood to buy an $895 collector knife.

World renowned artisan, Eugene Landon, was commissioned to craft a series of historic items to be presented to American citizens and organizations that best represent duty to country and honor to God. The Providence Forum incorporated the Liberty Tree wood into Liberty Tree Bible Boxes that were presented to President George W. Bush, President James Earl Carter, and the United States Naval Academy . A large piece was chosen to make the yoke for the Spirit of Liberty Bell, a full-sized traveling replica of the historic Liberty Bell, cast to commemorate the 250 th anniversary of the original Bell, which had been commissioned in 1751 to celebrate religious liberty in America . A substantial portion of the remaining Liberty Tree wood was given to American Forests to be used in products like the Liberty Tree Knife.
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Is this STILL a "figurative" tree?
 
Is it murder when a slave, being abused by his master and famished for his natural and unalienable rights, kills his oppressor to gain his freedom? Is that murder or justice?

In a state of nature with the absence of government every man must defend his own natural rights from the intrusions of others or forgo the benefits of his labors and the joy of life. All just governments are instantiated to secure these rights and those who live under such a government consent to subordinate their actions to the civil authority. However, when the government diverges from that noble purpose and instead practices tyranny on the people it was created to protect then the individual is justified in reclaiming his prerogative to defend his own rights directly.

I am not the originator of these ideas, I am not nearly that much of thinker, these are the fundamental principles, developed by men like John Locke, which are ingrained into both our Declaration of Independence and our Constitutional form of government. This is social contractarianism with an appropriate emphasis on the unalienable rights of individuals derived from the ideal of individual sovereignty instead of the later formulation of collective rights arising from the ideas of popular sovereignty as proposed by such dubious characters as Jean-Jacques Rousseau.

I understand that this mode of thinking is somewhat anachronistic at this late date when most people do not take the time to think at all, but if I am judged to be "... unreasonable or just downright nuts ..." then I am in the very best and most honorable of company and I will gladly suffer such criticism.

Best Regards,
Richard
 
By the way, the last Liberty Tree was felled in 1999
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Is this STILL a "figurative" tree?
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Unless you have a time machine, it is indeed a figurative tree, seeing as how any physical trees that could make the claim are no more.

Furthermore, this proposed tax is the exact kind of tax that lead to tax collectors(Rep Cruzs' ancestors perhaps) being tarred and feathered and even hung by the SoL. So if we wanted to ask of our Founding Fathers what they would think of both the tax and the response by Alan Kiser, I think that they would be gathering pitch and feathers, and cristening a new Liberty Tree. Thanks for adding creedance to mine and Richard's argument!
 
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I was there that day

All the rhetoric here attempting to justify the sign does not abate the fact that the display of the sign was ill-conceived and handed the media a stick with which to poke us in the eye. The demonstration otherwise was very civil, sane and extremely well attended.
Yes, indeed the left does worse than this and I judge them by their intemperate behavior. I refuse, however, to validate such behavior on our part because they do it.
 
Again, what is sad is NOT the signs, which were entirely appropriate and showed an actual understanding of the language and history, but rather the reaction from "gun owners". Five years ago such sentiments would have been largely applauded(and actually understood) here. Now we have hand-wringing and fear(and a bizarre acceptance of the lefty perception this was somehow a threat rather than a historical association).

Seems the knowledge and spinal quality of our "community" is losing something.
 
Unless you have a time machine, it is indeed a figurative tree, seeing as how any physical trees that could make the claim are no more.
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The Liberty Tree was whatever tree was designated as such by the colonists. That would still apply in today's modern world if a tree were to be designated as a Liberty Tree. As I said, though, the new Liberty Tree is the Internet.
 
And how are we going to hang someone from the internet?:confused: Al Gore did not invent it with physical branches! :D

I just can not get over the spineless appeasement that people show towards the anit crowd. God forbid we say or do something to make them mad! If we get people to vote their guns and convert more to our cause, there is very little that could be done to stop us. Gun owners come from all income levels, genders, races, sexual oreintations and creeds. The only larger group of people in the country are women(51%) and men(49%).
 
Perhaps if I say it louder ...

The Liberty Tree was whatever tree was designated as such by the colonists. That would still apply in today's modern world if a tree were to be designated as a Liberty Tree.
 
Perhaps if [I]I[/I] say it louder...

The phrase was used figure of speach! It was not a threat. Even if it was, our Founding Fathers would have backed this guy up.
 
I didn't use the largest font so you could have one-up-man-ship if you desired.

I guess you desired.

Your question was: "And how are we going to hang someone from the internet? :confused: "

Answer: You can't; but you can hang them from a real tree once you designate which one that will be.

The Liberty Tree was also used to disseminate information if you read its history. The Internet is also used to disseminate information. Thus the juxtaposition.

I never addressed the threat aspect of the sign.

Still :confused: ?
 
Frankly, I did not know what size font you used, I don't care. I just used a big one. The origional part of this thread was about how people were freaking out about this banner and saying it amounted to terrorism. My point is that that is balderdash.

If you had read the second part of that paragraph you would see that I was joking. I think it might be you who are :confused: .

I am not going to furhter dirty the board so if you want to contiune please take it to PM.
 
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