Remington takes the money from NY/Pentagon deal

Got to love the government :rolleyes: Maybe I'm seing the numbers wrong but a 80 million dollar contract to make 5 thousand rifles and 5 million bullets :confused: . Im no math wiss but that don't sound right . Even if each rifle cost 5k and each bullet cost $10 it sill does not total 80 million .
 
I, personally, don't have a problem with a company making a buisiness decision that makes sense to them... an 80 million dollar contract is nothing to shake a stick at. Not to mention I don't have a problem with a company that doesn't up and leave all its hard working employees with no jobs over fickle politics.

I guess by most responses here, if there should ever be national level gun control laws put into place in-line with some of the recent laws found in some states (not likely, but can happen)... then by these responses, all the gun companies should up and leave the country to show their outrage and go make thier products in some other, more gun freindly country?? :confused:

I don't know.... seams kind of confusing to me how people feel this is some kind of betrayal.
 
Got to love the government Maybe I'm seing the numbers wrong but a 80 million dollar contract to make 5 thousand rifles and 5 million bullets . Im no math wiss but that don't sound right . Even if each rifle cost 5k and each bullet cost $10 it sill does not total 80 million .
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You've got to know how this works and what is being paid for.

A ten year, indefinite-delivery/indefinite-quantity;
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For the next ten years they can place orders for as many as they want to be delivered when and where they ask, with the following caveats ....
The maximum quantities for this requirement are projected to be 5,150 PSR systems and 4,696,800 rounds of ammunition.
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firm-fixed-price contract for the purchase of the precision sniper rifle (PSR) system for U.S. Special Operations forces.
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The contract almost undoubtedly includes warranty, spare parts, service, and other support requirements.

A warranty issued to you and I for our rifles is not like a warranty issued to the US Special Forces. We don't jump out of airplanes into oceans with our rifle/scope systems. We don't take them to Alaska one month and then bounce to Death Valley the next very often. We rarely ask the manufacturer and then expect him to comply with sending a couple of gunsmiths to Afghanistan awhile to work through an issue we are experiencing.

You might be starting to get the idea why it isn't as simple as it sounds.
The estimated contract value is $79,717,783.
 
Your right and I get all that BUT :D a $3k rifle and $5 bullets would half that contract . I think you and I know the bullets will and should cost at most $2 each so thats 10 million leaving 70 million for 5 thousand rifles .:(
 
I got paid over $200K a year for working in Iraq. My work days were over 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, only a 10 day vacation off part way through the year. I was a civilian contractor. I had to be processed for movement in GA., flown and housed there a week, shots, medical exam, dental screening, insurance for a war zone, flown across the ocean, housed, fed, and protected. Then I was flown back and out-processed again for a couple of days.

All that costs a whole lot of money, do it for up to ten years for even 3 or 4 employees and it starts adding up to a whole lot more then a rifle and some bullets.

We would have to know a whole lot more about the contract before we could start justifying outrage at the cost.
 
I was toying with the idea of one of their 1911s when I had the money, but not now. Almost went with an 870 but went with a 500 instead. Glad I did.
 
Just so I understand.

We are now insisting that all gun and gun related companies leave all states that have imposed restrictive laws otherwise we boycott?

Seriously?
 
Mossberg is headquartered in Connecticut... how is that any better than Remington operating a plant in New York?

While we may want all the manufacturers to move from these states, it's not likely that they can relocate operations that easily.
 
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Just so I understand.

We are now insisting that all gun and gun related companies leave all states that have imposed restrictive laws otherwise we boycott?

Seriously?
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Yes, seriously.

Of course, each one of us has our own mind and our own reasons.

Live in a state that is stripping you of your rights, behind the cover of darkness and to take advantage of an emotional issue, and see how your eyes see things. Write your letters, send your emails, make your calls, show up at the rallys and see that they just don't care about our rights and what we want. I will do everything I can to see that every one who voted for these new laws is not reelected. However, there are some fights we won't win because we don't matter.

Any company that chooses to stay in a state like NY, CO and CT and they cannot sell their product to their own residents are not thinking about their customers. Sure, it's a business and we, as consumers, can make the choice to not buy their products because they care more about the money than the principles we are fighting and losing. I will go out of my way to patronize the companies that are pulling out and moving because we are getting jobbed.

Sure, it's not easy to up and move a company. However, states that want them can help a lot. They can offer cheap land, tax breaks and help pay for the actual move. The article said Remington was going to retool so why not do it in a new plant in a new state?

Yes, 1200 jobs lost in NY if Remington moves. I'm sure many will move but if they don't then it sucks for those people. They will still get to vote, though. Maybe they'll think twice about who they vote for. If NYS loses 1200 jobs then that means that the new state gets those 1200 jobs. NYS will lose the taxes generated as well as the corporate profit taxes, etc. The new state will get those taxes. One loses and another wins. People lose jobs and people get jobs. NYS can pay for unemployment for the year for those who they helped put out of work. They don't care, they passed their bill. They don't care about the tax payer, they care about pleasing Obama and Bloomberg.

So, do what you have to do.

Me? I will know where my money is going. If you want to dance with the devil then be prepared for the aftermath. I feel all we have left is to vote these guys out and to choke the companies that fill their coffers. They ignore everything else we do. It's time to hit them in their pocketbooks. Remington staying in new York is a slap in the face to every New York gun owner and to everyone who is living in a similar situation. NY, CO, CT, NJ, etc can kiss my hard earned dollars good bye. They've drawn their line. I've drawn mine. I will do my best to run them out of office and then I'll find a gun friendly state to retire in. As I am writing this I am looking at the check I have to send to CT for my state taxes. That really pizzes me off. They betrayed us.
 
We are now insisting that all gun and gun related companies leave all states that have imposed restrictive laws otherwise we boycott?
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It's more then that . It's that right in the middle of this huge debate on our 2nd amendment rights . They go in to a closed door meeting with the government and come out with big fat wallets . I bet what was said in there was . Please don't make a fuss about what gun control laws we are implementing and we will give you this big contract . If the big dogs are not going to stand with us , were're in trouble . The only thing that would change my mind any time soon would be Remington coming out with a found that helps fight that states gun laws or someting to that effect . They better do something to get ahead of this or it will not be good for them . I already emailed them and told them How I feel .
 
In spite of my earlier comments, you guys sure do make a lot of sense. While I wasn't plan to buy any Remington products in the near future as it is, I think this thread has caused them to slide even further from the top on my "gun companies to support" list.
 
Any company that is caught in the middle can help the causes with a check to the NRA-ILA that has a number with 6 zeros after it. This will help us with the causes in the other states that haven't fallen yet. They stayed because of money, let them help with the money given to them to stay. Hasn't several suppliers done this already? Was it Midway?
 
larryh1108 said:
Any company that is caught in the middle can help the causes with a check to the NRA-ILA that has a number with 6 zeros after it. This will help us with the causes in the other states that haven't fallen yet. They stayed because of money, let them help with the money given to them to stay. Hasn't several suppliers done this already? Was it Midway?
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Wouldn't that be a hoot?!? :D

Bravo for the suggestion!
 
A different alternative...

Guns with the Remington name have been coming out of New York for almost 200 years. That alone is not something to throw away lightly.

Here's a different approach, carrot, not the stick....

Collect pledges to purchase a new Remington, IF they leave NY, with public statements that the reason is the new laws.

While it may be necessary to boycott eventually, I hate to see an old, respected firm punished for just trying to stay in business. This is something different than the S&W situation. In that case, the ownership voluntarily decided to accept a deal with devil.

These new laws are being forced on Remington along with eveyone else in the state. They should not be punished for not packing up and hauling ass as fast as they can, I don't consider that right. Encouraged, to move, as a political statement, sure, I'm for that.

As to taking a fat govt contract? Well, with one hand of the govt doing their best to kill your business, taking money from another part of the govt just seems like a survival tactic to me. And the bottom line, for any business is survive, and do your best to profit.

As indiviuals, we can stand on priciples and buy or not, as we choose. Businesses who stand on principles other than the bottom line have a much harder time of it, and often fail, unless well supported by their customer base.

I say give them the benefit of the doubt for now, at least...
If things change, re-evaluate...
 
it's not likely that they can relocate operations that easily
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An operation the size of Remington, that would cost them millions. Not to mention the lost $80 million in the new contract. Losing that kind of money could conceivably bury a company like Remington.

Maybe they'll think twice about who they vote for
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It's a Union shop. They vote for the gun grabbers, regardless. They expect the Union to take care of them. You have to understand the Union mentality. They're not going to change the way they vote.
 
Guns with the Remington name have been coming out of New York for almost 200 years. That alone is not something to throw away lightly.
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Colt has been in Hartford for 150 years. But they're pulling up shop and moving to TX.
 
It's one thing to stay in a state that has draconian gun laws. It's something else to stay in that state, after receiving a nice gov't contract, AND not saying anything negative about the laws.

I understand the difficulty in relocating. If Remington came out and said, "Hey, we're staying because, financially, it might be too great a burden for us to move. But, we will continue the fight against gun control, and to prove it, here's a $X,000,000 check for the NRA-ILA, SAF, or other pro gun lobby."

If they did that, I'd be fine with them staying, since it's about staying in business. But they walked into a closed meeting, and came out a bit richer, without a single word against gun control. Remington won't be getting another dime from me, unless they change their tune. Shame, I was looking at picking up my first bolt action rifle, and I was looking at a 700. Think I might look at a Ruger M77 instead.
 
Ridge_Runner_5 Wrote:
Colt has been in Hartford for 150 years. But they're pulling up shop and moving to TX.
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Not accurate. Colt Competition is an Oregon based company that is part of Bold Ideas Inc., which licenses Colt’s brand to make competition shooting rifles. They are the ones moving from to Texas, not Colt Manufacturing LLC.

Now, there has been rumor and some talk of Colt Mfg LLC leaving CT and some speculate that this is a sign of it starting to happen and Colt may follow. But, for right now, that is all it is, talk and speculation.
 
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