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Remington RM380 vs. Ruger LCP Custom
- Thread starter DukeNukem
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I ordered an LCP Custom through Davidson's. The price if you go that route depends on your local dealer that it comes through, but I was able to get it for $199 and with taxes and fees added in it came out to $227. Monday night they had lots of them, but they were gone by Tuesday afternoon. I thought I had missed out, but more of them showed up. None available now. Might be worth checking from time to time if you're wanting a Custom.
As of now they have lots of the standard model in black and lots of some of the other colors. I could have had one of those for $188 + tax & fees, around $215 total, I think.
https://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/
As of now they have lots of the standard model in black and lots of some of the other colors. I could have had one of those for $188 + tax & fees, around $215 total, I think.
https://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/
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orionengnr
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The difference being, in my experience (two of each) the Rugers work, the K-Ts don't.And the Keltec is less expensive than the Little Copy Pistol from Ruger.
Not just me, BTW...
Bill DeShivs
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I know you manage to say that every chance you get- but it doesn't make it so.
Mine all work, and almost everybody else's work, or Keltec would be out of business.
Mine all work, and almost everybody else's work, or Keltec would be out of business.
Two Kel-Teks bought, two Kel-Teks sold. A P3AT that failed every chance it could, and a P11 whose rear sight fell out and both were about as smooth as 40 grit sandpaper.
I can recall hearing "fluff and buff" for the very first time after buying the P3AT, and how all of them needed it after purchase to make them work. I can recall the majority of members over at the Kel-Tek forum reporting problems, and excellent customer service.
No Bill, as orion said, and IME, the majority has had issues with their Kel-Teks, especially the P3AT. Excellent idea, so-so execution. Ruger definitely refined it.
I've currently got a TCP, which I haven't shot yet, but is more then a step above the P3AT in fit and finish, and light years ahead in trigger pull. Don't know about reliability yet, but it cycles reliably, even with steel cased, something the P3AT never did.
Oh, and the TCP has a manual slide lock with last shot hold open, things the P3AT lacks.
Ok, off my soapbox now.
I can recall hearing "fluff and buff" for the very first time after buying the P3AT, and how all of them needed it after purchase to make them work. I can recall the majority of members over at the Kel-Tek forum reporting problems, and excellent customer service.
No Bill, as orion said, and IME, the majority has had issues with their Kel-Teks, especially the P3AT. Excellent idea, so-so execution. Ruger definitely refined it.
I've currently got a TCP, which I haven't shot yet, but is more then a step above the P3AT in fit and finish, and light years ahead in trigger pull. Don't know about reliability yet, but it cycles reliably, even with steel cased, something the P3AT never did.
Oh, and the TCP has a manual slide lock with last shot hold open, things the P3AT lacks.
Ok, off my soapbox now.
I chose the S&W M&P Bodyguard 380. I have shot 1500 or so rounds of ammo through it. The magazines need to stay clean to work properly. Pocket carry does not seem to soil the action. After a couple hundred rounds, the magazine gets dirty to the point of not holding the slide open after the last round. I trust the safety and have never had it disengage while carrying.
9mm
I looked at the 9mm shield last week. It is not much bigger in my pocket. I did not shoot it. I will probably get one at some point.
You can get a similar sized Sig for twice the price. Very nice feel to it. the one I saw came with night sights. I did not shoot it.
9mm
I looked at the 9mm shield last week. It is not much bigger in my pocket. I did not shoot it. I will probably get one at some point.
You can get a similar sized Sig for twice the price. Very nice feel to it. the one I saw came with night sights. I did not shoot it.
Bill DeShivs
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Fluff and buff was from 20 years ago, when some of the first Keltecs needed it.
They no longer do.
If most people had trouble with Keltecs, they wouldn't be in business, growing rapidly, and introducing new models, would they?
It has been my experience that some people can't shoot them and shouldn't own them- but that's rare.
They no longer do.
If most people had trouble with Keltecs, they wouldn't be in business, growing rapidly, and introducing new models, would they?
It has been my experience that some people can't shoot them and shouldn't own them- but that's rare.
TRUE LIBERTY
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I myself got to go to a gun store and see one of the Remington's. So then I went to my local gun shop who can order one for me at a better price and will have it hopefully by Friday. Along with a custom wallet style holster my local gun store is also making for me.
I have been waiting for some time to have a .380 that small and even slightly smaller than my dads Sig P238. A all medal frame and slide. A double action trigger I think works as smooth as my sweet Ruger LCR revolver. A ambidextrous magazine release since I shoot with both hands. Replaceable grips which I am looking forward to future choices.
The finish looks fine nothing fancy but seems like it will last.
The sights remind me of the military issue fixed sites on a 1911 which I liked and no worry about them coming off. I probably will put some paint on them though.
I have been waiting for some time to have a .380 that small and even slightly smaller than my dads Sig P238. A all medal frame and slide. A double action trigger I think works as smooth as my sweet Ruger LCR revolver. A ambidextrous magazine release since I shoot with both hands. Replaceable grips which I am looking forward to future choices.
The finish looks fine nothing fancy but seems like it will last.
The sights remind me of the military issue fixed sites on a 1911 which I liked and no worry about them coming off. I probably will put some paint on them though.
Not from 20 years ago Bill, more like 8. That's when I purchased mine, and had my issues. And all one has to do is visit the Kel-Tek forum to see that there is still people having problems, although I'll concede that the majority are now reporting favorable reviews. Seems as though Kel-Tek has smoothed over the P3AT, save for the absolute recommendation that one not shoot the P3AT a bunch. One moderator was pretty animate about shooting no more then 50rds at a time without a good cleaning and lube.
That said, Kel-Tek, IMHO, stayed in business due to cost, customer service (which is reportedly excellent), and that most people buy the gun, stuff the mag full of ammo of choice and carry it, presumably without shooting it. I could be wrong, and again it looks like Kel-Tek has made the P3AT more reliable then before, but that's how I see it. And I'm basing my opinion on my experience with not one, but two, Kel-Tek products. Both of which left me with a bitter, as you can see, taste in my mouth for their initial quality.
I'll let y'all know my complete opinion on the TCP directly as I walkout the door to run some rounds through it.
That said, Kel-Tek, IMHO, stayed in business due to cost, customer service (which is reportedly excellent), and that most people buy the gun, stuff the mag full of ammo of choice and carry it, presumably without shooting it. I could be wrong, and again it looks like Kel-Tek has made the P3AT more reliable then before, but that's how I see it. And I'm basing my opinion on my experience with not one, but two, Kel-Tek products. Both of which left me with a bitter, as you can see, taste in my mouth for their initial quality.
I'll let y'all know my complete opinion on the TCP directly as I walkout the door to run some rounds through it.
Bill DeShivs
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The P3AT is not exactly a battle pistol.
You have to remember that these guns are very small, and firing residue remains the same size. 50 rounds without cleaning is a good figure.
You have to remember that these guns are very small, and firing residue remains the same size. 50 rounds without cleaning is a good figure.
The Keltec P11 that I bought 4 years ago needed some polishing to function reliably. I bought it knowing that I might have to mess with it a little to get it to run well, so I wasn't really annoyed, but I bet someone not very familiar with Keltec would have been cursing and calling it a piece of junk when they first tried it out. Maybe break-in would have eventually gotten mine working fine, but the polishing sure speeded up the process.
After clearing up the early hiccups, I like the P11. Long heavy trigger, but I shoot it well enough for its intended purpose. The DIY trigger stop I added to the P11 helped quite a bit.
After clearing up the early hiccups, I like the P11. Long heavy trigger, but I shoot it well enough for its intended purpose. The DIY trigger stop I added to the P11 helped quite a bit.
firefighter120
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I just ordered a LCP Custom from Kentucky Gun Company for 215.99 and free shipping. Should have it next week. Reviews I have seen are all pretty positive on the custom. I had been looking for a pocket 380 for a while and the custom had most everything I was looking for at a price I couldn't pass up. Looking forward to shooting and carrying it.
I have both the LCP and the RM380. Both are good reliable pistols that operate without a bobble. The RM380 is essentially the Rorbaugh as Remington bought the company and design. It has a better trigger and in my hands more accurate. The LCP is slightly smaller and costs less and is more than accurate enough.