Remington 870p VS Mossberg 590a1

[Dfariswheel]

"What does the US military think ?"

The US military thinks they'll use the Mossberg because they have NO CHOICE.

Mossberg won the contract and that's that.

However, for those special military units that are allowed to buy whatever they want, they buy Remington 870P Police models.

 

[joneb]

Well alrighty then

 

[joneb]

Dfariswheel, I did not mean for you to blow a gasket, I was just asking a question. I own a 870 wing master 12ga. and love it, it has served me well. I do not own a Mossberg nor have I shot one , but I am interested . I just want more info.

 

[SpitRhyma]

I don't have either of those particular models but I do have a Mossberg 500A (8-shot) which is similar to the 590 models...

Here are the CONS:
-Safety button in bad location on TOP of gun. It's not as easy as having it right to the side of the trigger so you can use your trigger finger right before firing.
-Safety button slides into safety-off smoothly but sticks and gets harder when turning it back on. Long story short: I found myself dangerously close to hitting the trigger while struggling to turn the safety on...so if you wanna keep a shot chambered but lock the gun until ready to fire this is a pain.
-Safety button is known to break so you have to be careful and be gentle
-The extractor's on the bolt aren't designed to always 'grab' the shell by the rim while racking it. The shell is pushed into the barrel then the extractor's are forced onto it. I'll try to edit my post later w/ some sort of visual

I hope this helps... I don't know if the Remi is any diff.

~SpitRhyma
000BK

EDIT:

Here is the diagram -- this is just to visually show the conceptual difference not an accurate animation

LINK: (flash animations require flash player plug-in)
http://spitrhyma.gom-team.com/rackingsg/racksg.html

 

[IZinterrogator]

I have a problem with your cons, Spit. The safety is under your thumb in its location at the top of the gun. Equally accessible for left-handed or right-handed people, unlike the Remington safety, and no slower than a trigger safety for me. The safety on the 500 and 590 is plastic and prone to breakage, but the 590A1's safety button is metal and that is the shotgun we are discussing. And I've never had a sticking safety problem with my 590A1, and I've had mine for five years. Oh well, YMMV.

 

[Smitty in CT]

...DO NOT take my word for it. Simply go down to your local police department, your sheriff's department, your State police, and any Federal agency and check for what's in their cars. By a 95%-plus margin, it'll be a Remington 870P....

The reason there are more Remington's out there is because their marketing people have been focused on the Law Enforcement market for a lot longer. Lets face it, pump shotguns, regardless of maker, will outlast most shooters.

If it was my money I would rank them as follows: 1) Mossberg 590A1, 2) Remington 870 Police, 3) Remington Wingmaster, 4) Mossberg 500, 5) Remington 870 Express.

Smitty

 

[K80Geoff]

To answer your question, look at Trap shooters. Trap shooters shoot thousands of rounds through their guns. Remington 870's are quite common, shooters have won national titles with them. You rarely see mossbergs on the Trap line in major shoots.

Local shooters might use them, but when you get to the serious shooters the 870 is the gun to have.

 

[SD_Chop]

870..... only problem with my 870 is that its the only 870 i own, they are proven shotguns and i plan on more for me

 

[akr]

I have 5 870's, 3 of them nice Wingmasters, and 3 other nice shotguns, as well as 4 pistols. My home defense gun is a Mossberg 500 with 18 1/2 " bbl.

 

[Running Gunfight]

I own an 870E. It is slowly becoming an 870P. The reason I didn't buy the P was because I didn't have enough $$$ when I bought and I wanted an HD shotty.

It has a Knoxx specops, wilson mag spring, sidesaddle, and sling. This coming spring it will have ghost rings and the J safety will go away in favor of a factory safety.

Down the road, I will prolly change out the internals with the heavier P stuff except that I will leave the plastic trigger guard alone. I actually prefer it over aluminum. I will prolly also leave the trigger with the lighter pull.

In the meantime, it has been 100% reliable despite my attempts to make it stop, which is all I can ask for.

 

[liliysdad]

The reason there are more Remington's out there is because their marketing people have been focused on the Law Enforcement market for a lot longer. Lets face it, pump shotguns, regardless of maker, will outlast most shooters.

This is only partially correct. Yes, Remington does have a somewhat more aggressive marketing stance in relation to LE than the others, but Mossberg, and Winchester have also devoted a fair share to this market. For a time, they were even gaining ground. However, it was quickly found that the other options simply do not stack up to the Remington. If one were to be honest, the fact is that LE agencies will buy the absolute cheapest thing that still functions well enough to work. The fact is, the Remington costs more than any other pump shotgun out there, yet is still the most popular, by far. WHen you buy quality, you only pay once. The added cost of maintenance and repair for the other makers quickly outweighs any initial cost benefit.

As for a pump shotgun outlasting people, you obviously have net seen the life the typical LE shotgun lives. To have one survive 10 yrs is actually a feat. Nowhere in the firearms industry is there a more abused, neglected, and unmaintained weapon. Winchesters, and to a somewhat lesser extent Mossbergs, simply do not have the lifespan under hard use. The 590 was a big step forward for Mossberg in terms of long term reliability, but it is still nowhere near that of the 870. The 870s steel construction is a definite plus in this field, and it truly pays off.