Remington 870 - 14" vs 18.5" barrel questions - yes it's legal
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Barrel for sale :
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Process to legally make your short shotgun legal Step #1 Get a Form 1 (in duplicate) and two fingerprint cards and two 2x2" Passport Photos Step #2 Have your local chief of police or Sheriff sign the back of your completed Form 1 Step #3 Mail your completed forms, signed by your local Chief Law Enforcement Officer, your two fingerprint cards and two photos to the ATF with a US Postal Money Order for $200.00 Step #4 While you are waiting on your approved stamp, send your receiver to an engraver and have your FULL NAME, CITY and STATE Engraved on it, you will have to have the location of this engraving listed on your FORM 1 Step #5 Wait for the approved stamp, 90 days to 12 months, depending on ATF Just a Tip, An UNREGISTERED Short Barrel Shotgun or Rifle or ANY unregistered NFA weapon will get you an Automatic Ten Year Jail Sentence and a $250,000 fine. DO NOT LOOSE YOUR RIGHTS by not paying the fee and doing the right thing. The Tax is a one time tax and thats it, NO CLASS 3 License is required, no FFL is required, you can do it yourself. SO DO NOT ASSEMBLE OR HAVE PARTS IN SAME LOCATION UNTILL FORM IS APPROVED A Good Engraver to use, who is reputable and cheap and quick turn around : (It cost me $60.00 shipped to have my 870 SBS engraved) http://www.orion-arms.com/ Form 1's and Finger Print cards can be obtained here: http://www.atf.gov/forms/dcof/
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=183609996
Process to legally make your short shotgun legal Step #1 Get a Form 1 (in duplicate) and two fingerprint cards and two 2x2" Passport Photos Step #2 Have your local chief of police or Sheriff sign the back of your completed Form 1 Step #3 Mail your completed forms, signed by your local Chief Law Enforcement Officer, your two fingerprint cards and two photos to the ATF with a US Postal Money Order for $200.00 Step #4 While you are waiting on your approved stamp, send your receiver to an engraver and have your FULL NAME, CITY and STATE Engraved on it, you will have to have the location of this engraving listed on your FORM 1 Step #5 Wait for the approved stamp, 90 days to 12 months, depending on ATF Just a Tip, An UNREGISTERED Short Barrel Shotgun or Rifle or ANY unregistered NFA weapon will get you an Automatic Ten Year Jail Sentence and a $250,000 fine. DO NOT LOOSE YOUR RIGHTS by not paying the fee and doing the right thing. The Tax is a one time tax and thats it, NO CLASS 3 License is required, no FFL is required, you can do it yourself. SO DO NOT ASSEMBLE OR HAVE PARTS IN SAME LOCATION UNTILL FORM IS APPROVED A Good Engraver to use, who is reputable and cheap and quick turn around : (It cost me $60.00 shipped to have my 870 SBS engraved) http://www.orion-arms.com/ Form 1's and Finger Print cards can be obtained here: http://www.atf.gov/forms/dcof/
20 some years back, I got to play with a 14" barreled 870 during HRT training.
Up side, quite maneuverable and effective.
Downside, LOUD and with oodles of muzzle flash. In low light with ammo of the day, you got one good shot off and then were semi blind. N/V goggles would be a big help.
This one had standard lumber and was IMO, a much better choice than an 18" barreled 870 with one of those #$%^&*() PGOs.
Up side, quite maneuverable and effective.
Downside, LOUD and with oodles of muzzle flash. In low light with ammo of the day, you got one good shot off and then were semi blind. N/V goggles would be a big help.
This one had standard lumber and was IMO, a much better choice than an 18" barreled 870 with one of those #$%^&*() PGOs.
bamaranger
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not for me
Quite a few of our young, high speed, low drag guys went w/ 14.5 bbl, the argument being that they stowed and deployed easier from a vehicle. That certainly is true. The difference in the convenience of an 18" gun v. a 20" is hard to believe. The 14.5's are handy beyond belief.
But......about 15 yrs ago, we went to mag extensions to gain capacity on 18" and 20" guns. That logic, I suppose, is out the window now, and we're back to 4+1, or I suppose, a one shot extension makes it 5+1, on these 14.5 stubbies.
And that's if you have the time or presence of mind to top it off going into the fight.
Me.....I want more than 4-5 rds in a gun gun I'm carrying to a fight if I can possibly help it. Especially if its the ONLY gun on me. An 18" gun w/ ext gives you 6+1, maybe 7+1 depending on the spring and follower. A 20" w/ ext is 7+1 for sure, maybe 8+1. That is double the capacity of a 4 rd mag.
Pistol grips only on shotguns are useful to just beyond bayonet range. Now........a step in the right direction for patrol, is a quality folding stock, on an 18" gun w/ mag extension. Storage problem in veh is solved. Deploy the gun, deploy the stock. I liked the Rem factory steel top folder.
I find it interesting that Canada, w/ all its anti gun regs, allows its citizens the 14.5 bbl, regulated here in the states since what ?....... the 1930's?
Quite a few of our young, high speed, low drag guys went w/ 14.5 bbl, the argument being that they stowed and deployed easier from a vehicle. That certainly is true. The difference in the convenience of an 18" gun v. a 20" is hard to believe. The 14.5's are handy beyond belief.
But......about 15 yrs ago, we went to mag extensions to gain capacity on 18" and 20" guns. That logic, I suppose, is out the window now, and we're back to 4+1, or I suppose, a one shot extension makes it 5+1, on these 14.5 stubbies.
And that's if you have the time or presence of mind to top it off going into the fight.
Me.....I want more than 4-5 rds in a gun gun I'm carrying to a fight if I can possibly help it. Especially if its the ONLY gun on me. An 18" gun w/ ext gives you 6+1, maybe 7+1 depending on the spring and follower. A 20" w/ ext is 7+1 for sure, maybe 8+1. That is double the capacity of a 4 rd mag.
Pistol grips only on shotguns are useful to just beyond bayonet range. Now........a step in the right direction for patrol, is a quality folding stock, on an 18" gun w/ mag extension. Storage problem in veh is solved. Deploy the gun, deploy the stock. I liked the Rem factory steel top folder.
I find it interesting that Canada, w/ all its anti gun regs, allows its citizens the 14.5 bbl, regulated here in the states since what ?....... the 1930's?
They are permitted only under specific circumstances. The barrel must be factory (not cut), not on a semi and the gun's OAL must be at least 660mm. If so then it's treated the same as any other shotgun.
I have a Remington 14" barrel for my 870. It's definitely handier if packing around in the bush or in confined spaces and far better than a pistol grip only stock. Mine gets used very rarely due to increased muzzle blast and flash. The 20" barrel is much better for low light applications.
Incidentally Remington stopped shipping NFA barrels and guns to Canada a few years ago unless they were for agency use. In their place the Chinese 870 clones with 14, 12.5 and even 8.5" barrels have filled the gap among non-LEO shooters.
StuntManMike
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I run a 18.5" and a +2 on my 870s. However, if I lived where it was legal I would trade that for a 14" and a +1 without a second thought for the manueverabilty advantage. The loss of one round would totally be worth it.
bamaranger
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depends
PJR interesting, thanks.
Stuntman, a valid point I suppose, provided the +1 ext is used. Otherwise, 2 rds less is to much to suit me. I suppose the doubles of years ago make a valid counter argument as well.
PJR interesting, thanks.
Stuntman, a valid point I suppose, provided the +1 ext is used. Otherwise, 2 rds less is to much to suit me. I suppose the doubles of years ago make a valid counter argument as well.
