Remington 7600?
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Lucas McCain
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Jay south, no problem, I understand what your saying. Only info I have is my personal experience.
In my deer hunting group which consists of 15 members there is at least 7 Rem autos and pumps in 270 and 06's. One of the hunters had a new Rem auto and got rid of it for bolt action rifle. 3 other members traded their old model in for a newer model rem. Some were the original 740's and 760's and the rest were the later 7400,s and 7600,s. Most of us hand load and with these rifles you need use small base dies. Then we started to experience problems with the resizing the case and the rifle not closing properly using hand loads.
When the no-go head space gage was used on these rifles the action still closed with ease, indicating to much headspace.
I also attend a lot of gun shows as a vendor and when some one approaches me and wants to sell or trade a Rem auto or pump I first ask if I can check the headspace on the rifle. A majority of the time the action closes on the no-go guage, and I am not interested in the rifle.
There are others that don't close on the no-go gauge, but do on the go-gage. some are quite old and like the good ones that are in my hunting group where they have been shot a fair amount they still are tight.
With factory ammunition those guns shoot and cycle fairly good, and maybe if we hadn't been hand loading, we wouldn't have seen it.
In my deer hunting group which consists of 15 members there is at least 7 Rem autos and pumps in 270 and 06's. One of the hunters had a new Rem auto and got rid of it for bolt action rifle. 3 other members traded their old model in for a newer model rem. Some were the original 740's and 760's and the rest were the later 7400,s and 7600,s. Most of us hand load and with these rifles you need use small base dies. Then we started to experience problems with the resizing the case and the rifle not closing properly using hand loads.
When the no-go head space gage was used on these rifles the action still closed with ease, indicating to much headspace.
I also attend a lot of gun shows as a vendor and when some one approaches me and wants to sell or trade a Rem auto or pump I first ask if I can check the headspace on the rifle. A majority of the time the action closes on the no-go guage, and I am not interested in the rifle.
There are others that don't close on the no-go gauge, but do on the go-gage. some are quite old and like the good ones that are in my hunting group where they have been shot a fair amount they still are tight.
With factory ammunition those guns shoot and cycle fairly good, and maybe if we hadn't been hand loading, we wouldn't have seen it.
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Lucas your story just doesn't hold water . I have been hunting with , and working on the 760-7600 series for 40 years . I have been reloading for them just as long . They are as popular here in VT , as they are anywhere ! Once in a while you will encounter a pump that needs to have it's ammo resized with small base dies , but they are an exception , not the rule ! If you use SB dies for a gun that doesn't need them , and bump the shoulder a little too hard , you can creat a situation that will resemble excessive head space , when inspecting the brass fired in said gun . It won't be verified by a Go-No Go gauge though !
Lucas your story just doesn't hold water . I have been hunting with , and working on the 760-7600 series for 40 years . I have been reloading for them just as long . They are as popular here in VT , as they are anywhere ! Once in a while you will encounter a pump that needs to have it's ammo resized with small base dies , but they are an exception , not the rule ! If you use SB dies for a gun that doesn't need them , and bump the shoulder a little too hard , you can creat a situation that will resemble excessive head space , when inspecting the brass fired in said gun . It won't be verified by a Go-No Go gauge though !@Mr. McCain & Mr. Sap: I've been following this thread and like many others poo-poo'd the excessive head space claim. However, the second part of Mr. McCain's response gives me pause. He states that he trades/deals with many remington pumps and autos, and about half accept a no-go gauge. If we accept his actual experience, then that could mean one of three things:
A. bolt setback occurs, or
B. half of remingtons left the factory with excesive head space, or
C. his no-go gauge is bad.
Which begs these questions to Mr. Mccain:
1. Did you try your no-go gauge in other makes and actions of rifles and did you experience similar rates of excessive head space?
2. I know the lugs and barrel extensions were re-designed and are different between the 760/740 series and the 7600/7400/6/4's. Was there a difference in failure rates between the older and newer model series or were they the same?
As an aside to Mr. Sap: I really envy you for your 760 chambered for .300 savage. That's a classic rifle.
A. bolt setback occurs, or
B. half of remingtons left the factory with excesive head space, or
C. his no-go gauge is bad.
Which begs these questions to Mr. Mccain:
1. Did you try your no-go gauge in other makes and actions of rifles and did you experience similar rates of excessive head space?
2. I know the lugs and barrel extensions were re-designed and are different between the 760/740 series and the 7600/7400/6/4's. Was there a difference in failure rates between the older and newer model series or were they the same?
As an aside to Mr. Sap: I really envy you for your 760 chambered for .300 savage. That's a classic rifle.
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Lucas McCain
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I'm quit positive that the no-go gauge is OK. I trust it completely, I've used it on various bolt actions, M-i,s and Browning also and it works. Like I said, its mostly on guns people are trying to move, probably because they are having a problem with it. They won't admit to that if they want to sell or trade.
I believe the Rem auto or pump for the most part is a blue collar gun owner who only owns a half a dozen or so guns. They don't get rid of them unless there is a problem. For that matter they don't shoot them much either to create a problem.
I have used the gauges on my friends Rem rifles that are not experiencing any problems and the action won't close on the no-go gauge.
In my original post I said beware of the used Rem rifle. I'm not laying claim to all of them. A lot of Rem owners a satisfied with there rifle and evidently not experiencing any problems. Thats proven by how many are out there in use. I personally don't sell a lot of Rem autos or pumps. I have sold some, but the headspace is correct. The people who bought them from me must be happy or they would be calling me. I stand behind the guns I sell, if there is an immediate problem, let me know. I don't operate on a "Buyer Beware Basis."
My take on them is this. They either left the factory with excessive head space. Or they are soft, because like I said the owners as a rule don't shoot them often enough to WEAR them out. That should not happen until we pass 20,000 rounds fired.
I believe the Rem auto or pump for the most part is a blue collar gun owner who only owns a half a dozen or so guns. They don't get rid of them unless there is a problem. For that matter they don't shoot them much either to create a problem.
I have used the gauges on my friends Rem rifles that are not experiencing any problems and the action won't close on the no-go gauge.
In my original post I said beware of the used Rem rifle. I'm not laying claim to all of them. A lot of Rem owners a satisfied with there rifle and evidently not experiencing any problems. Thats proven by how many are out there in use. I personally don't sell a lot of Rem autos or pumps. I have sold some, but the headspace is correct. The people who bought them from me must be happy or they would be calling me. I stand behind the guns I sell, if there is an immediate problem, let me know. I don't operate on a "Buyer Beware Basis."
My take on them is this. They either left the factory with excessive head space. Or they are soft, because like I said the owners as a rule don't shoot them often enough to WEAR them out. That should not happen until we pass 20,000 rounds fired.
@Mr. McCain: That's interesting. I still wonder if there's a a difference in your experience between the old and new, bolt and barrel extension designs. ( that is, between the 760's versus the 7600's)
In any case, I'm going to continue to shoot my .308 7400 and .243 7600 and not worry about it. My handloads are a little milder than factory.
In any case, I'm going to continue to shoot my .308 7400 and .243 7600 and not worry about it. My handloads are a little milder than factory.
I hate to say this, but many Remington semi-auto and pump shooters don't clean their rifles well (or ever). In semi-autos, it's a bigger problem because chambers get baked by relatively hot gasses every time the case is ejected.
Because the rifle can't be cleaned from the breech with a conventional rod, those who clean from the muzzle don't realize that the chamber isn't adequately cleaned or protected by whatever oil is used to clean and protect the bore.
Many years ago, when working as a part-time gunsmith, I had several Remington 740s and 742s with rusty chambers. Sometimes the case remained stuck and the extractor tore a portion of the rim off, sometimes the whole case head. Those rifles usually come with a chamber brush that has a patch loop on the other end. Many are never used.
The owner of a "new" 742 confessed that he shot a box of ammo to sight-in, then hunted in the rain and never cleaned the gun, but put it away for the winter, spring, summer. The first shot in the fall resulted in the stuck case.
I tell this, because if bores aren't cleaned/protected, excessive friction increases pressures that can create excessive headspace. The stuck cases tell the tale of poor chamber maintenance and probably rusty bores. The rifles are probably fine as they come from the factory, but they're not foolproof...because fools are either so ingenious or just plain lazy.
Because the rifle can't be cleaned from the breech with a conventional rod, those who clean from the muzzle don't realize that the chamber isn't adequately cleaned or protected by whatever oil is used to clean and protect the bore.
Many years ago, when working as a part-time gunsmith, I had several Remington 740s and 742s with rusty chambers. Sometimes the case remained stuck and the extractor tore a portion of the rim off, sometimes the whole case head. Those rifles usually come with a chamber brush that has a patch loop on the other end. Many are never used.
The owner of a "new" 742 confessed that he shot a box of ammo to sight-in, then hunted in the rain and never cleaned the gun, but put it away for the winter, spring, summer. The first shot in the fall resulted in the stuck case.
I tell this, because if bores aren't cleaned/protected, excessive friction increases pressures that can create excessive headspace. The stuck cases tell the tale of poor chamber maintenance and probably rusty bores. The rifles are probably fine as they come from the factory, but they're not foolproof...because fools are either so ingenious or just plain lazy.
The action bar will come unscrewed and the barrel will move around. It happened on mine and I know some one that bought a new 35 rem carbine that came from factory with action bar loose . So if you suddenly had headspace issues check your action bar. I am going to start reloading for mine soon so I am very interested in this topic.
Boomer58cal
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I must say I don't have a 7600 but I do have a 7400. I'm also not your average one box a year hunter. I actually shoot my guns...allot! I've actually worn out a 10/22 barrel. Yes it takes 50 or 60,000 rounds to do it but you can. I have at least 1000 rounds through the 7400 and it shoot better now than when it was new. 20 years ago. I've also had bad luck with after market 10 rd mags from KKK. 12 of them. I have however recently came across a 12 rd'er made by D&E. I don't even know if they still make them but the one I have is comparable in reliability to a stock four rounder. I will be trying to find more and I will report back on them.
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phil mcwilliam
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Depends on the type of deer hunting your doing. I've used a mates Remington pump 30/06 when stalking deer & the forearm part of the stock rattles just when you don't want it to. I've used the same gun flushing pigs & have found it good for follow up shots.
I've been on two shooting trips where we were chasing pigs on motorbikes & my mates pump failed due to the dust, where the bolt actions the rest of us had continued to work. These were however extreme conditions lasting over a week on both occassions.
But really, whatever rocks your boat. I've tended to find after many years of deer hunting that its usually the first shot that counts, rather than the ability to fire quick successive shots, thus negating the influence of action used.
I've been on two shooting trips where we were chasing pigs on motorbikes & my mates pump failed due to the dust, where the bolt actions the rest of us had continued to work. These were however extreme conditions lasting over a week on both occassions.
But really, whatever rocks your boat. I've tended to find after many years of deer hunting that its usually the first shot that counts, rather than the ability to fire quick successive shots, thus negating the influence of action used.