Remarks on Iraq

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"The people of – (blank) – have been led into Mesopotamia into a trap from which it will be hard to escape with dignity and honor. They have been tricked into it by a steady withholding of information .... "

* "Things have been far worse than we have been told, our administration more bloody and inefficient than the public knows .... "

* "The cabinet cannot disclaim all responsibility. They receive little more news than the public ... they have sent draft after draft of reinforcements, without enquiry .... "

"We said we stayed to deliver the Arabs from the oppression of the – (blank) – and make available for the world its resources of corn and oil."


* "Our government is worse than the old – (blank) – system. We keep ninety thousand men, with aeroplanes, armored cars, gunboats, and armored trains. We have killed about ten thousand Arabs in this rising summer. We cannot hope to maintain such an average .... "
 
I think those are quotes from "Lawrence of Arabia". I just saw the movie last week on cable.

More doom and gloom from the liberal left. I remember clearly the same sort of quotes predicting disaster when we went into Afganistan, how the soviets, british, etc. were defeated yadda yadda yadda. Of course, we won handily, not that you'd get any admission of that from the naysayers.

And when we win in Iraq, they'll just find something else to carp about.
 
Yes from Col T.E. Lawrence

Rebar if we have won the war in Afghanistan why are US Soldiers getting killed?

military victory should be defined as the the enemy not having the ability nor the will to fight. which is not the case in Afghanistan or Iraq.

for the record I support the war in Afghanistan, and I support staying in the war on Iraq. I do not support the current administration's running of the war in Iraq nor the timing of it.

your liberal left doom and gloomer

http://www.sftt.org/main.cfm?action...rchives=defense&htmlId=3341&HtmlCategoryID=30
 
How many American soldiers have died in Germany since may 1945? Japan? Korea since 1952? Are those wars we lost? Have we been lied to about those wars being over?
 
I get SOOOO tired of the "it's the liberals fault" B.S. It ain't the dam "liberals" all the time so why keep harping on it. Makes you sound like a broken record...:barf:

Iraq is a tit-for-tat situation. It's being maintained by the "insurgents" to keep attention focused on them so that they can continue to get attention and MONEY from their supporters. Without the "war" the insurgents would disappear faster than cockroaches when the lights come on. It's also being maintained by the U.S. gov't for the EXACT SAME REASON. It gives those in charge attention and they can continue to get more money from congress (your tax dollars at work) for their pet projects like "homeland security".

G-dub has stuck us into the same exact situation Israel is in with Palestine. Can't go forward because world pressure and the voting public won't allow it. Can't "retreat" either because then that would appear as if the "enemy" is "winning". Stuck in the middle while the military keeps getting killed and the taxpayer pocket keeps getting tapped for funds.

If we put the 350 BILLION dollars spent so far in Iraq into research for new energy types we'd probably be able to get out of dependence on foreign OR DOMESTIC oil in about 5 years. But of course, no one in gov't would get any attention if that were the course taken.

But of course, we liberals......
 
It ain't the dam "liberals" all the time so why keep harping on it.
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Because in this case, quoting some guy from the 1920's to tear down the war effort today in Iraq, is a liberal/left ploy to undercut support for it.
 
I promised myself I wouldn't post during this visit. But, I just can't help it....
Because in this case, quoting some guy from the 1920's to tear down the war effort today in Iraq, is a liberal/left ploy to undercut support for it.
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Ahh, I see........ :barf:
 
Its easy to get drawn into a discussion even when we know that you are wasting our breath or in this case our time typing. Its almost compulsive ain't it
 
OK lets face facts, this war/police action/regime change was inevitable with or without 9/11. The fact that Bush led us there is in all reality irrelevant. We ARE THERE. Let the historians and college professors discuss the merits of the invasion, right now we as a people need to pull together, shut up and win the war at any cost. I promise you this if we show weakness (and we have been doing little else since at least April 05) we will be worse off for it.

During World War 2 around 1941 while the Nazi war machine was at the height of it's power, Iraq had a revolution and more or less joined the axis cause. The British sent in colonial troops and put down the insurrection immediatly with odds and ends that they could spare from the real front in North Africa. The fact that after the revolt was smashed and we never hear of the theater again tells me that the British took care of the problem. We, with our technology and mobility should have a much easier time accomplishing the same. The question is are we willing? If we are not willing to win at any cost then lets bring the boys home and disband the military, I mean if we can't or won't fight the sheep herders what do you think will happen if we have to fight a real war against a real enemy.

Shawn
 
Scopes referenced democratic article is by Lieberman who has always been in favor of the war, anywar with muslins. His primary interest is now and always has been with Isreal an american allie who refused to let sr. Bush use their airfields for the gulf war, an allie who has cosistently produced spies of our military arms and etc., spies which have sold our secrets to our enemies time and time again, an allie that has harbored fugatives from american justice.
 
Because in this case, quoting some guy from the 1920's to tear down the war effort today in Iraq, is a liberal/left ploy to undercut support for it.
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I think you missed this part of my post Rebar

for the record I support the war in Afghanistan, and I support staying in the war on Iraq. I do not support the current administration's running of the war in Iraq nor the timing of it.
 
What interest could Israel possibly have in being our enemy? They probably didn't let us use their airbases for Desert Storm because they were afraid of Arab retribution... And for good reason considering we left the region after we pushed the Iraqis back.
 
IIRC, we didn't use Israeli bases in DSI because of the negative effect it would have had on the Coalition. That's why we asked the Israeli military not to wage war on Iraq then, either.:)
 
"If we put the 350 BILLION dollars spent so far in Iraq into research for new energy types we'd probably be able to get out of dependence on foreign OR DOMESTIC oil in about 5 years."

Do you really believe that? I don't. Okay, say you do really believe it, what kind of new energy types?

John
 
With that kind of money avail, we could build a new distribution system and pipe in natural gas to the gas stations that already exist. By switching the cars to natural gas or even man-made gasses, we'd skip the foreign oil dependency. Yah, it ain't perfect but it'd be a good start. From there, biofuels are a good stepping stone as well until we get the hydrogen/fuel cell stuff figured out If we can get the hydrogen "refining" taken care of without using hydrocarbons to get it, we could then use the natural gas distribution system mentioned above for the hydrogen.

For home energy needs, we already have solar roofing systems that can go right onto existing structures to generate electricity. There are a number of other methods which could be used to generate electrical power for individual needs (which I won't mention specifically cuz I'm a-workin on one). I'm not talking about nuclear power either.

I know there' s problems with each of the above examples. Which is why we could use 350 billion bucks so that we could get the problems sorted out.

Instead we're financing the national economy of Iraq. Which nets us nothing in the end but an emptier pocket.
 
That's not the soundest use of reason out there, sir. We're going to spend almost that much repairing that hole in the water that they call New Orleans. The finger-pointers down there have already started the blame game. Remember, while their building codes allowed construction at depths of six feet below sea-level, it's our fault that they did so. We need to rebuild the levees, even though the Levee Commission spent over twenty million dollars raised for them on two gambling boats. $350 billion wouldn't build a single gas station after the special interest groups in Congress got through with it. How about a million dollar tax-payer funded study of bovine flatulence, again?:)
 
The problem is that we're looking at the same issue from different sides.

You see the gov't waste side. I'm saying that we should fund those projects that actually have a chance at working and skip the other projects that only suck money out of our wallets.

The REAL problem is that to those in charge, it's only a number with a buncha zeros in it. To those of us who pay for that, it's a different story. We need to put a few moms in charge of federal spending and tell 'em that they have a budget. What we don't tell 'em is that it's a few billion short of the real amt that can be spent. Let them dole out the money and see what gets paid and what doesn't.
 
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