Register or not to register in kali?

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Thank you all for your input, :)


I have read your posts and will start seriously think about what I will do about the AW regestration.

Mrat, you are correct, moving will not help in the long run but I'm not moving just because of BS23. There are a good number of reasons why I wanna move. Not all gun related.
 
My opinion:

If you want to keep it hidden away for "the end of the world", don't register it.

If you want to be able to shoot the thing, register it.

Register it and risk having it confiscated.

Don't register it and risk having ALL of your guns confiscated.

Personally, I don't see registration as the "line in the sand" I will not cross.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by akira:
Thank you all for your input, :)


I have read your posts and will start seriously think about what I will do about the AW regestration.

Mrat, you are correct, moving will not help in the long run but I'm not moving just because of BS23. There are a good number of reasons why I wanna move. Not all gun related.

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Moving IS the right thing to do, since it's a part of states' rights. That's why the fed govn't must be limited. If you're unhappy with your locale, move to another that's to your liking.
 
Like Shin-Tao said: Where are you going to move when all this BS is implemented at the Federal level?

I don't mean to chaff anyone's hide, but I believe all the constant "move" advice to those of us in Kalifornia is extremely short-sighted. Now there's a solution and a half: all the pro-gun folks move to four states and let the antis have free reign in the other forty-six. Under our winner-take-all political system, we'll surely be on the road to victory then.

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As for registering weapons it has been answered many times: do it and you WILL eventually lose them, period; don't and you MAY eventually get caught and go to the klink or be killed.

Whatever you decide, don't mention it here for the benefit of the statist minions at the Kalifornia Department of Justice, BATF, and FBI.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by akira:
Just need some opinions from you good folks at TFL.


You guessed it, I unfortunatly live in media controled sheeple infested Kali.

Should I or should I not register my AW's?

I haven't done the deed yet. Its just that I've been thinking and I need some help.

I know that this is an easy no brainer decision for most of you here, and I admire that, you are willing to stand up for what you believe.

I have a dilema. I am a law biding citizen who owns a house, a wonderful wife, and a beutiful baby boy.

If I were to stand up with my progun brothers and not register, I would be considered a criminal. (how ironic is that?) There is a chance I may be punished for my so called crime. If I were to go to jail my family will suffer a great deal as I. Who will pay the mortgage? Who will watch over my son as he grows up? Who will put food on the table?


This is not my attempt at justifying my actions if I were to register. I just need some feedback on what you good folks think.

Please flame on if you have to but remember I'm rubber and your glue, what ever you say bounces off me and sticks to you. just kidding hehe :)

I wanna hear all you have to say, flames and all.
I think I've been hanging out at AR15 tooooo long. :)

[This message has been edited by akira (edited June 26, 2000).][/quote]

Hello Akira,

Assuming that you are not a troll or are a law-enforcement officer of some sort:

What part of "Uninfringed" do you not understand?

From my cold, dead hands!

You already know the correct answer to your question.
 
Akira, you must do whatever you think is best for you and your family, but just be aware, that once you register your firearms with Big Brother and Big Nanny, it is only a matter of time before another law is passed by the Kalif. Kommunistnazis in the Legislature, to turn them in... and then they will send you that letter or postcard, demanding you bring them in... or they'll come to murder you.

By the way, weren't the Jews required by law to register with the Nazis??? J.B.
 
Randy,
What do you mean by a law enforcement officer of some sort? I am an LEO, what does that have to do with this? If they take "assault weapons" I lose mine just like everybody else. If I don't register mine and I get caught somehow, I lose my firearms AND my job. Therefore, I think I have even more to lose by being a LEO.
 
Coming from a _relatively_ gun-friendly state, I'm not familiar with what's required in Kalifornia for registration, so I'll just throw out these ideas. What sort of form/paperwork do you have to show to prove it's registered? Can the paperwork be duplicated? Do you look like a stand-up citizen? Can you lie convincingly?

Dick
 
Randy,

I'm no troll.

I'm just looking for opionins on what I should do. Not "what are you folks going to do".

I have a difficult decision to make and I just needed some advice.

Thats all.


Thanks for your input and I will log you down as a trouble maker in my FBI file. :)
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mrat:
Randy,
What do you mean by a law enforcement officer of some sort? I am an LEO, what does that have to do with this? If they take "assault weapons" I lose mine just like everybody else. If I don't register mine and I get caught somehow, I lose my firearms AND my job. Therefore, I think I have even more to lose by being a LEO. [/quote]

Perhaps that is so, Mrat.

I am not an LEO and I am not telling anyone to disobey the law. Entrapment by certain law-enforcement officers is a real threat these days to those who would support the cause of Amercian liberty.

I only know what my gut instinct tells me:

That anyone who registers any weapon in the Peoples' Republik of Kaliforncation is putting themselves in the postion of a future gun confiscation, and perhaps worse, by the gun-grabbing Fascists.

Bottom line...

You do what you think is right for you, Mrat.

I'll do the same.

BTW, no hard feelings on my side. I hope you feel the same. Just my .02 cents.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by akira:
Randy,

I'm no troll.

I'm just looking for opionins on what I should do. Not "what are you folks going to do".

I have a difficult decision to make and I just needed some advice.

Thats all.


Thanks for your input and I will log you down as a trouble maker in my FBI file. :)

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Go ahead. I'm sure they already have a file on me by now anyhow :-)

Seriously, no one knows your situtation in life is or what risks you are willing to take.

Only you and God know that.

My advice?

Do what you think is right for you.
 
Randy,
My hard feelings are I am getting sick and tired of these idiots trying to take our guns away. Firearms are a hobby for me, I like to shoot them and open my safe and look at them. I think some of us snap at each other because we are passionate about our toys.

I also think that the media (and others) are trying to divide LEOs and the citizens. I also think they are trying to federalize local law enforcement, look at all these consent decrees being forced on local agencies and the constant media attention to LEO mistakes (like LAPD Rampart). Maybe I am parnoid but it seems like divide and conquer to me.

Most LEOs care about their jobs and the community they work in. And they risk their lives to do their jobs. I have my injuries, high stress and failed relationships to prove my part of this.

Basically this was a long winded rant to say I have no hard feelings. :)

P.S. Cali has already had registration followed by confiscation. A few years back under Cali's original assault weapon ban people were given an amnesty period to register their guns. Guess what happended....they received letters to turn them in. What will I do now? I will register them. If I am an LEO I need to follow the law myself, but I don't need to like it.
 
"P.S. Cali has already had registration followed by confiscation. A few years back under Cali's original assault weapon ban people were given an amnesty period to register their guns. Guess what happended....they received letters to turn them in."

My understanding is this:

If you registered your rifle before the deadline, you were and are still OK. It is only people who failed to register when they were supposed to the first time (thereby breaking the law) who were affected. There are legally registered AW's all over the place that have not been confiscated. The only people who got screwed were the ones who missed the deadline, then registered during the amnesty period. This is bad enough, but it does not support the idea that my AR-15 will be confiscated after I register it as required by law. It may happen some day, but I KNOW that if I DON'T register it I put any LEO I come across while shooting it in the position of having to enforce the law and take my rifle.

Let's be intellectually honest about what happened in the PRK.

Personally, I will cross the confiscation bridge when we get there. We are not there yet.
 
When this AW registration scheme came to be in the mid '90's, I remember reading in the L.A. Times that there were approx. 350,000 AW's in the state of Ca. When the deadline came, only 15,000 complied. So they gave a grace period of 6 months or so. Only a few hundred more bothered to comply.
I hope those numbers help you with your
decision. As for me, No Thanks! I'll take the chance.
 
Mountaingun,

"Lets be intellectually honest about what happened in PRK."

I am being honest about what happened. Gun owners were given an anmesty period to register their guns. Yes they did miss the intial registration period, but then that period was extended by the state of California and they registered their guns LEGALLY. Then they had to turn in their guns or they would be criminals. Confiscation has already happened here. If you don't think that they will eventually say to turn in the rest of them.......

California also had a fiasco with SKSs that accept a detachable mag. The state AG said they were legal to purchase in Cali and thousands were sold. By Jan 1, 2000, an owner of one of these guns had to either get rid of them (destroyed or take out of state) or turn them in for a voucher worth $240. (I don't appreciate them using my tax dollars for this kind of crap.) This is just an example of what is yet to come.



[This message has been edited by mrat (edited June 29, 2000).]
 
Sounds like a lot of you will, when confiscation happens, just turn your guns in with a sheepish grin and say, "I'm sorry!" Is this true? Please tell me I'm wrong. I'm not trying to flame anybody, by the way, just kind of frightened by some of the posts. We are not defending the 2nd, because guns are a hobby. We've got to defend the 2nd because it, ultimately, protect us. I also am LE, but I will die fighting for yours and my rights.

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"Vote with a Bullet."
 
Thanks to all for the great info, suggestions and advice. I will take everything that you folks have said into consideration when I make my decision.

To claemore,

Thanks for your input. I just needed some facts and suggestions from you good folks. I wanted to creat a pro's and con list to help me with the decision about regestering. The pro regestration list was winning, I knew you good people could help me with reasons for me to not regester.

Maybe I should have stated that in my post.
Well now you know.

Now I have tons of great reason not to regester.

I won't say what I plan to do, If I did, I would lie. Never know who's watching.

BTW, I hope when confiscation time comes, there are more LEO who think like you. People who believe in the 2nd.


thanks

akira
 
A decision by the US supreme court does not make it law.

The founding fathers wrote the bill of rights with debate in mind.

They knew that liberty was something that had to be protected diligently, or it would just disappear.

Basically what we are seeing today, is what they had in mind. People having to make decisions about liberty.

Now what is more important, liberty or a little bit of security?

It reminds me of football, if you have never put the pads on and gotten your bell rung
then you can't talk to me about football.

Owning a gun goes far beyond what you payed for the weapon, and all the little gadgets
that are on it. ( Many gun owners today, are what I call fashionable gun owners)

It ties you to the historical foundation of America, emphasis on (foundation).

I made my decision 21 years ago, the day my son was born.

Waterdog
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by akira:

BTW, I hope when confiscation time comes, there are more LEO who think like you. People who believe in the 2nd.
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I think at this point, we can be pretty sure that when confiscation comes, there will be an extreme shortage of pro-RKBA LEO's. By the time they want to confiscate our guns, it will be too late to choose sides.


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"[Even if there would be] few tears shed if and when the Second Amendment is held to guarantee nothing more than the state National Guard, this would simply show that the Founders were right when they feared that some future generation might wish to abandon liberties that they considered essential, and so sought to protect those liberties in a Bill of Rights. We may tolerate the abridgement of property rights and the elimination of a right to bear arms; but we should not pretend that these are not reductions of rights." -- Justice Scalia 1998
 
Mrat-

I meant no disrespect and was not implying that you were being "intellectually dishonest".

Maybe I am sticking my head in the sand and hoping it won't happen again. My point was that those few who did register their guns the first time still have them. I want to be able to shoot my AR and not worry about being arrested for it. I have seen the police turn a guy's car upside down and hold him for 45 minutes while they ran serial numbers of his guns, and made sure he wasn't "wanted" because he was shooting an SKS in a public shooting area.


Until then I will register my AR, vote, spread the word, and support with my $ those who fight the good fight.

Regards,

Dave
 
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