Register or not to register in kali?

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akira

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Just need some opinions from you good folks at TFL.


You guessed it, I unfortunatly live in media controled sheeple infested Kali.

Should I or should I not register my AW's?

I haven't done the deed yet. Its just that I've been thinking and I need some help.

I know that this is an easy no brainer decision for most of you here, and I admire that, you are willing to stand up for what you believe.

I have a dilema. I am a law biding citizen who owns a house, a wonderful wife, and a beutiful baby boy.

If I were to stand up with my progun brothers and not register, I would be considered a criminal. (how ironic is that?) There is a chance I may be punished for my so called crime. If I were to go to jail my family will suffer a great deal as I. Who will pay the mortgage? Who will watch over my son as he grows up? Who will put food on the table?


This is not my attempt at justifying my actions if I were to register. I just need some feedback on what you good folks think.

Please flame on if you have to but remember I'm rubber and your glue, what ever you say bounces off me and sticks to you. just kidding hehe :)

I wanna hear all you have to say, flames and all.
I think I've been hanging out at AR15 tooooo long. :)

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Speaking as a serf in Massachusetts, whos weapons are registered :(, (and one who is constantly in search for arms that i could pick up, under the table so to speak), i will not fancy myself important and say don't. I don't believe you will have much choice in the long run.

Registration is indeed, much different then confiscation (which we all argree is without doubt the next to follow.) So in the short term, registration is just one more thing you must do as a "law-abiding gun owner".

But don't make it easy on them. Register if the make you (what ever that means.) Make it expensive for them. Make it inconveinent for them any way you can.

Above all else, remain the most part of "law-abiding gun owner" even if all you are is a "gun owner" (that's the most important part anyway.)

Perhaps more importantly, what does your wife think?

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"[Even if there would be] few tears shed if and when the Second Amendment is held to guarantee nothing more than the state National Guard, this would simply show that the Founders were right when they feared that some future generation might wish to abandon liberties that they considered essential, and so sought to protect those liberties in a Bill of Rights. We may tolerate the abridgement of property rights and the elimination of a right to bear arms; but we should not pretend that these are not reductions of rights." -- Justice Scalia 1998

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The wifes views on guns from my understanding is neutral. She goes to the range, gun shows and shows her interest. For instance, "oohh that gun is really cute", "buy that one so I could shoot it". She likes the fact that the guns are there for home protection.


I try to educate her on the importance of guns but after watching the news, I sometimes catch her ranting about the need for gun control.

In my opinion, I think she still sides on the anti side. This will change. I have been doing my best to educate her and turn her into one of us. hehe
Its hard to compete with the media's attack on guns. She tends to believe everything that comes out of that video box.
 
Akira, this is your decision to make and while we all have opinions your's is what counts at this point. Someone posted a topic about a week ago talking about what will happen if we continue to use the terminology "law abiding gun owner". To summarize, law abiding = gun gone. Read that article and one of a few weeks ago about what Canadians are doing. There was also a web site that gave instructions on storing guns. I'm not sure what I'd do in your situation. I'd like to think I could bury them where no one would hide them and fight this thing on a purely 2nd amendment court argument. I would hope that if a truly honest person did this, believed in their rights, that we would help support them. I for one would. Time is everything. I've read that they are sending written notices instructing people to register in a given time period. If time is on your side, and you decide to fight send me an address to send money. I know several here who will do the same! (remember the collection taken to help MarkIV's wife buy a gun)? Know, that you are not alone!
 
Not being in your shoes, I wouldn't presume to tell you what to do. However, I do have two thoughts:

1) it probably wasn't bright to post this question to the Web ... someone is probably watching. I hope I'm wrong but doubt I am.

and

2) if you choose to break laws, be careful not to break the 11th commandment.

pax

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"When stupidity is a sufficient explanation, there is no need to have recourse to any other." -- Mitchell Ulmann
 
Akira,

I'm a soon-to-be ex-Californian, and I don't have any "criminal rifles" but I'm wondering this: haven't you already missed the deadline to register AW's? I know as of Jan 1, 2000 you can't buy most of them any more, so i guess it depends on when you purchased them as to whether they're "grandfathered". Any CA resident experts here? You could check the CA DOJ website or call them (from an untraceable phone # that is NOT your own, andf don't give them your name).

Do what I'm doing: MOVE. I'm 1/2 way to Montana, one of the last bastions of sanity as far a guns are concerned. CA can go to Hades.
 
A couple thoughts here. If you don't "conspire" to avoid said law, tough to prove "criminal intent". Doubtful you would be jailed by a jury. More relevant I think is that the 4th and 5th amendments preclude the search/seizure elements necessary to screw you. UNLESS, you get a case of the loose lips. Otherwise, stand behind the rest of the Bill of Rights. That is the genious of our founding fathers. The bill of rights is not a delicate creature on life support. It is a genie that has already escaped from the bottle. The founding fathers built the monstrosity of federal government knowing what it could do when inevitably hi-jacked. Therefore, they built in a kill-switch: The bill of rights. Once enacted, the armed populace can not be disarmed effectively without abrogating NUMEROUS articles of the bill of rights. This alienates more than the 2nd amendment crowd as the privacy and state's rights clauses are violated. Can anyone say "backlash"? It is already too late to disarm us. What I'm getting at is that your sword is safe behind your shield...
 
Of course = register & comply with all laws.

What else could be said on a forum that will not condone any illegal activity. No tongue in cheek intended whatsoever.

& too, always remember "lives, fortunes & sacred honor."

Many, many have given up all they have to allow us this "democracy" & to be registered & screwed with. Many more (in this century/decade) are giving it their all, taking extreme heat & may well give it all up before it's all over again (for a while).

Always will be your choice & "right" can be very subjective.
 
Thanks to all

You have all been helpful. Your words are of much value to me. I will never say weather I will regester or not. I don't believe in tell the whole world what my intentions are. That is specifically to you government agents out there.

To my good friends at TFL, I thank you.
Don't worry fellow peers, I will do the right thing.

I think it time to move.



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covert mission,

Hi and thanks for your reply. I purchased my AW's a while back, before Y2k. As long as I did that, I have done nothing wrong. Now I have to regester my AW's before this year is over. I was aware of BS23 so I purchased a number of AW type guns that I have always wanted. I'm very happy I did. Now all I have to do is regester them and have them taken away just like Canada and Australia.
 
Akira,

You can add Brazil to that list as well.
Two years ago, the leftist government offered an "amnesty", meaning you could register any "irregular" firearms and be ok with the law. Now, they say they're gonna confiscate all legally owned guns...
Moving, of course, should always be an option - after all, we have only one life to live. I intend to do so myself, though in my case it might be a little more complicated (but I'll do it, so help me God).

Regards,

Leo Daher

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I have been thinking and planning on moving since 1994. No doubt I will move in the next few years. The only thing stopping me is my field of work isn't exactly useful in all the great gun free states.


I'm in computer animation and unfortunatly the hub is in California. Been saving my pennies and hoping I can relocate some day.

My brothers in Alaska and I would love to go out there, but I think they have no use for an animator in that neck of the woods.

Anyone need an animator, Will work for guns and ammo!
 
Akira: Simple answer? Register any guns you don't mind losing. It isn't an all or nothing choice, you know, if you have more than one.

Pardon my ignorance, but I thought that it was possible to tele-commute for most software related jobs? You might also consider that a substantial number of people in your line of work are in your position; Maybe you could get together and form a company, small office in Kalifornia, real work done where you live in Arizona?

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Sic semper tyrannis!
 
What mrat said.

What are we going to do when this Kali and NY idiocy is implemented on the Federal level?

Imagine this happens. And then imagine the BATF budget and man power alotments is doubled.

Imagine seeing posts here on TFL about some of us being caught and locked up in a Federal prison.

Now realize that this will most likely happen.
 
I'll tell you what registration will get you.

What is your gun worth if you sold it out of state now? That is probably what you'll get in a buyback.

If you want the money, sell it. If you don't, cut it up with a hacksaw. You will now have one of the 2 outcomes of registering your gun, and you won't have to wait.

If you want to shoot your A/W at the range for a couple of years then register now I guess.

Battler.
 
Colorado has a lot of computer related jobs, but they are turning to Kolorado, still a lot more freedom than Kalifornia. Idaho has Micron, a buddy of mine works there... MOVE, but never register. I don't care who reads this post, don't freakin register! Unconstitutional and all that.

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If it's not registered already, how do they know you have it? Are they checking records at every gun shop?

This is a highly personal decision and I hope you weigh the consequences of either choice.

read on:

Note this from the Sixteenth American Jurisprudence, Second Edition, Section 177:

"The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having formed in nature of law, is in reality no law, but is wholly void
and ineffective for any purpose, since unconstitutionality dates from the time of its enactment and not merely from the date of
decision so branding it. An unconstitutional law in legal contemplation is as inoperative as if it had never been passed. Such a
statute leaves the question that it purports to settle just as it would be had the statute not been enacted."

"Since an unconstitutional law is void, the general principles follow that it imposes no duties, confers no rights, creates no office,
bestows no power or authority on anyone, affords no protection and justifies no acts performed under it."

"No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it."



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The first step is registration, the second step is confiscation, the final step is subjugation.
 
A couple of relevant points to consider:

"Emerson" is still pending. It may seriously shake up the current gun control scheme at both the state and federal level. Call me an optimist, but I think the path between Judge Sam Cummings in the Federal District Court for North Texas and the Supremes is lined with jurists who understand the meaning of the Second Amendment. (We can be thankful this case did not come up in Kalifornia.) I believe we've got a real shot at shaking up the current gun-control establishment.

As long as you don't do anything really dumb, the chances of being detected are not all that great. I suspect we're still a ways away from house-to-house searches for illegal weapons.

Registration is forever. Once you get your name into the bureaucracy, you can't simply erase it. Wouldn't it be a shame if you registered, and then found out you didn't have to?

IF you're caught, you'll probably lose the gun(s), but you're unlikely to go to jail. And I'm guessing that animation is not the kind of occupation which would be jeopardized by a conviction for failing to register a firearm. So, your concern over your family's well-being is probably overstated.

IMHO, you've got more to lose by registering. And, frankly, I think it's criminal that citizens should have to consider moving to another state to safeguard their rights.

Good luck in your decision-making...

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Every nation has the government it deserves. - Joseph de Maistre
 
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