Refuge of freedom for gunowners.
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I dunno, we're making some grassroots difference here in the PDR of Kalifornistan. A LOT of people I shoot with are becoming aware of just how silly our state gov is, and that they can do something about it if they get involved.
In OC, we have a sheriff who is nearly shall-issue on CCW; being a "grequent shooter" and thus often carrying guns around is "good cause."
Yes, L.A. and the Bay are pretty much lost to socialist nanny staters, but the rest of the state is getting pretty fed up. Look at the recall - yes, the RINO won, but Tom McClintock got 1/3 of the anti-Demoncrat vote. He's no Libertarian, but the Lib Party in Kali is somewhat... hmmm, how do i say this... fragmented? at the moment.
Some yahoo is actually proposing a Libertarian/Nader coalition for the national election. My answer was if THAT happened, I'd drop my Lib registration and work against them forever. A couple of "libs" actually got "C" and "D" ratings from GOA in the last primary. I don't quite understand how THAT could happen, but between the Wiccan/Ferret ticket the LP of Kali ran in the last general election and the local infighting that never ceases on the email forums, I'm sympathetic to Larry Elder's defection to the Repupugnican Libertarian Caucus last year.
Ah well, I'm losing my train of thought here, need more coffee.
Later.
In OC, we have a sheriff who is nearly shall-issue on CCW; being a "grequent shooter" and thus often carrying guns around is "good cause."
Yes, L.A. and the Bay are pretty much lost to socialist nanny staters, but the rest of the state is getting pretty fed up. Look at the recall - yes, the RINO won, but Tom McClintock got 1/3 of the anti-Demoncrat vote. He's no Libertarian, but the Lib Party in Kali is somewhat... hmmm, how do i say this... fragmented? at the moment.
Some yahoo is actually proposing a Libertarian/Nader coalition for the national election. My answer was if THAT happened, I'd drop my Lib registration and work against them forever. A couple of "libs" actually got "C" and "D" ratings from GOA in the last primary. I don't quite understand how THAT could happen, but between the Wiccan/Ferret ticket the LP of Kali ran in the last general election and the local infighting that never ceases on the email forums, I'm sympathetic to Larry Elder's defection to the Repupugnican Libertarian Caucus last year.
Ah well, I'm losing my train of thought here, need more coffee.
Later.
Running is not the answer to everything. I prefer to change people's minds one by one. I can speak with undecideds and take them shooting. Whenever the topic comes up I can engage in calm, reasoned debate.
Since the barbarians are not at the gate, there is no reason to grab the kids and run into the night.
Since the barbarians are not at the gate, there is no reason to grab the kids and run into the night.
What if PRK passed laws which made you a criminal for simply possessing an inanimate object that was out of favor (EBR)? What if PRK/Lockyer cabal worked in a gun registration scheme? What if the government told you that you had to take a class and basically get a permit to purchase a hand-held inanimate object?
Oh, wait, this all happened.
I admire the stalwart individuals, such as Don Kilmer, Mark Towber, and other friends of mine who are staying in California and fighting the uphill battle against the gun-banners in the state and local legislatures and affiliated enablers such as the Legal Community Against Violence.
Leaving the front lines for greener pastures, where the right to keep and bear arms is recognized and enforced, is a decision that each individual has to make for themselves.
For us, it was not only the gun rights issue, but the 9.3% income tax, the 8.25% income tax, and the overall higher cost of living there that had us decide to make the move to the Free State.
I fought the good fight in California - I am a past Secretary of the Silicon Valley NRA Members' Council, was involved in the formation of the Golden State Second Amendment Council, and worked with Citizens of America to get out a pro-gun message in Bay Area media. We lived there for five years, all told.
But even though I miss my brother and all my friends, I'm very happy here in New Hampshire.
Leaving the front lines for greener pastures, where the right to keep and bear arms is recognized and enforced, is a decision that each individual has to make for themselves.
For us, it was not only the gun rights issue, but the 9.3% income tax, the 8.25% income tax, and the overall higher cost of living there that had us decide to make the move to the Free State.
I fought the good fight in California - I am a past Secretary of the Silicon Valley NRA Members' Council, was involved in the formation of the Golden State Second Amendment Council, and worked with Citizens of America to get out a pro-gun message in Bay Area media. We lived there for five years, all told.
But even though I miss my brother and all my friends, I'm very happy here in New Hampshire.
Do what you want, I merely gave my opinion.
If you like where you live, then why not try to change it for the better?
And to take your opinion to the extreme, why not look at it this way:
What if the government seized all property from Jews, other minorities and those deemed to be cultural drains on the state? How about forcing them out of where they live into ghettos? What if they decided to round up all this trash, then started killing them in an industrial scale?
Better to leave if you don't agree, right? May as well run rather than cause controversy, after all, the people have spoken.
And if they don't invade anybody else, should other countries step in? After all, they are a sovereign country with its own laws.
Nobody did anything even when Hitler invaded Czechoslovakia. There were diplomatic messages sent about the invasion, but "Peace in our time" Chamberlian smoothed that over.
The world did know what happened to Jews before the war, but chose to ignore it. Even if you run, sometimes the problem comes after you.
captainHoek said:
I have no knowledge of Hatch's voting record regarding gun rights. But I have seen him take to task many in the Senate for stupidity (like the recent fillibuster of conservative justices by the democraps). So enlighten me as to why I should change my opinion of Hatch as a "good man".
The world did know what happened to Jews before the war, but chose to ignore it. Even if you run, sometimes the problem comes after you.
For me, I feel that I'm in a better position to fight the abuse of the Second Amendment now that I'm no longer saddled with a 9.3% income tax and 8.25% sales tax as I was in California, and I'm no longer at risk of jail time for exercising my Second Amendment rights as I was in California.
I appreciate and admire those who stay and fight at the front lines, though. It's up to each individual to decide where they can be most effective.
For me, I feel that I'm in a better position to fight the abuse of the Second Amendment now that I'm no longer saddled with a 9.3% income tax and 8.25% sales tax as I was in California, and I'm no longer at risk of jail time for exercising my Second Amendment rights as I was in California.
I appreciate and admire those who stay and fight at the front lines, though. It's up to each individual to decide where they can be most effective.
I'm still waiting on the facts on Sen. Orrin Hatch (R) - UT. Anyone want to enlighten me as to why they would not consider him to be "a good man"? I haven't agreed with every single stance of his on the issues, but predominantly I think he is one of the better Senators. I really hope that his religion has nothing to do with someone having a negative opinion of him. That would be a pretty poor excuse...
Moving for freedom in at least one place.
For two years I was heavily involved with the Free State Project on their forums. Then and now I believe they've bitten off too much state (too many people) surrounded by a growing population of anti-gun statists. Those from Massachusetts might move to NH for lower taxes but they bring their anti-gun, big-gov't agenda with them.
Thus many of us in the west are focusing on specific counties in Wyoming (Crook County, pop 6,000), Montana (Granite County, pop. 3,000) and Idaho (Lewis County, pop. 4,000). Sure it would be great to make substantial changes at a state level but we have to start somewhere -- at the grass roots -- one county at a time in each state. We can try to get the local and state officials to side with gun rights instead of the feds.
Boston T. Party, author of BOSTON'S GUN BIBLE and MOLON LABE is focusing on Wyoming's Crook County as first choice with Hot Springs county as second. His choice of the Black Hills is excellent since they can be the refuge for gunowners who really care about their right to keep and bear arms.
Personally I'm considering one place in Alaska (Skagway, pop. under 1,000) as a refuge in case none of the above muster enough reinforcements.
Why continue to struggle back home against a tide of anti-gun socialists? Move to where you have more gun-owning freedom now and a much better chance at increasing those liberties even more -- one way or another (read MOLON LABE for some suggestions on exactly how in Wyoming). See the following page for
The Free West Alliance
http://freewest.org/
and its discussion forum with a wealth of info at
http://freewest.org/phpBB2/index.php
For two years I was heavily involved with the Free State Project on their forums. Then and now I believe they've bitten off too much state (too many people) surrounded by a growing population of anti-gun statists. Those from Massachusetts might move to NH for lower taxes but they bring their anti-gun, big-gov't agenda with them.
Thus many of us in the west are focusing on specific counties in Wyoming (Crook County, pop 6,000), Montana (Granite County, pop. 3,000) and Idaho (Lewis County, pop. 4,000). Sure it would be great to make substantial changes at a state level but we have to start somewhere -- at the grass roots -- one county at a time in each state. We can try to get the local and state officials to side with gun rights instead of the feds.
Boston T. Party, author of BOSTON'S GUN BIBLE and MOLON LABE is focusing on Wyoming's Crook County as first choice with Hot Springs county as second. His choice of the Black Hills is excellent since they can be the refuge for gunowners who really care about their right to keep and bear arms.
Personally I'm considering one place in Alaska (Skagway, pop. under 1,000) as a refuge in case none of the above muster enough reinforcements.
Why continue to struggle back home against a tide of anti-gun socialists? Move to where you have more gun-owning freedom now and a much better chance at increasing those liberties even more -- one way or another (read MOLON LABE for some suggestions on exactly how in Wyoming). See the following page for
The Free West Alliance
http://freewest.org/
and its discussion forum with a wealth of info at
http://freewest.org/phpBB2/index.php
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Maybe instead of "waiting" you could actually do some homework? Maybe check his voting record on gun rights? Maybe follow the news and remember how many anti-gun bills he's SPONSORED?
Just a thought.
Orin Hatch is also on record as wanting to give the music industry the right to:
Send out viruses to search computers for illegal recordings. The virus would then be free to destroy the computer they are found on.
Giving private companies more rights than the government. The recording industry would be police, judge, and executioner, all without the hassle of justifying a search warrent to a judge.
No indication on how they would distinguish between an illegal mp3 file and one I legally made from my own CD so I can more easily listen to music while on my computer. If you do not know, you have the right to make an archival copy of your CDs.
So he does not seem to be much for individual rights. He also happens to get large amounts of campaign contributions from the RIAA.
Send out viruses to search computers for illegal recordings. The virus would then be free to destroy the computer they are found on.
Giving private companies more rights than the government. The recording industry would be police, judge, and executioner, all without the hassle of justifying a search warrent to a judge.
No indication on how they would distinguish between an illegal mp3 file and one I legally made from my own CD so I can more easily listen to music while on my computer. If you do not know, you have the right to make an archival copy of your CDs.
So he does not seem to be much for individual rights. He also happens to get large amounts of campaign contributions from the RIAA.