CoffeeShooter
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Sorry about that. But yeah the biggest question now is what’s the longest it ev r takes for these things to be complete?
Redoing background check in buying from multiple places
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dogtown tom
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FBI NICS has not finished its research.
FBI NICS still hasn't finished its research.
The Brady law allows them to transfer after the delay, but does not require them to do so.
Size of the shop has nothing to do with anything.
And there's no "getting caught with your pants down" as no law is being violated if they hand the gun to the buyer. If the transaction comes back denied days or weeks after the firearm has been transferred the dealer just tells the FBI when they call......and its now the FBI/ATF's responsibility.
There's nothing at risk as long as the dealer complied with the requirements of the law.
True.
The OP will never know exactly why he keeps getting delayed as the FBI will not tell him or anyone else. And he most certainly can blame the dealer as there is nothing but paranoia keeping the dealer from transferring the firearm.
They may never call.
Typically I get NICS callbacks 10am-10pm.
This.
80-90% of my delays never get a callback. I've had callbacks two week or more after the delay expired and the buyer already had the gun.
FrankenMauser
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Two words: Civil suit.
If the delay turns into a denial, he can find out why during the appeal.
And if, as you say, "he keeps getting delayed" ... then it is his own fault.
That is what a UPIN is for.
Bartholomew Roberts
Moderator
Aside from civil liability, there is PR liability. If you make most of your money selling things that aren’t guns, you don’t want to make the news for “not waiting for the background check” even if it is perfectly legal not to wait. And you will make the news if that happens because Bloomberg is paying professional PR firms millions to attack RKBA and just like any other business, they have to convince the boss he is getting his money’s worth.
CoffeeShooter
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You said they may never call back dogtown Tom? How do I get my guns if NICS won’t call the gun store and gunstore won’t sell without a call?
dogtown tom
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FrankenMauser
And then there's this:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_of_Lawful_Commerce_in_Arms_Act
Getting a UPIN does not solve all delays or denials.
You can be sued for anything. Which is why it is a good business decision to have insurance. If a gun dealer is that paranoid about what occurs after he has legally transferred a firearm then maybe he ought not be in business to begin with. Transferring a firearm after the three day delay has expired is no different than transferring with a "proceed".......both comply with the Brady law.
And then there's this:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_of_Lawful_Commerce_in_Arms_Act
HE HAS NOT BEEN DENIED HAS HE? Until he gets a denial you're just rambling.
Good grief. You seem to believe that delays are the result of an action by the buyer, that something they did in the past is causing the delay.........that's not at all correct.
Getting a UPIN does not solve all delays or denials.
dogtown tom
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You don't.
Take your business to a different store and before you hand over any $$$ or fill out the 4473 ask about their NICS delay policy.
CoffeeShooter
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Yeah I lucked out and haven’t paid yet. In a way this delay is a blessing cause i both did more research and found out in getting a little extra on tax return so getting a Glock 17 instead of a TP9SA
SonOfScubaDiver
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I have gotten a delay response on every single gun purchase I have made. I've come to expect it. What I've learned is that there are some gun dealers that proceed after the three day delay, and there are some that won't.
Academy Sports is one that won't. I went to one of their local stores during their Christmas sale two Christmases ago and was going to buy a Bersa Thunder and an SD9VE. As usual, I got delayed. After three weeks of calling the store to check on the approval, I was finally informed that Academy will not sell a gun without a firm proceed. Needless to say, I was pissed--not because they have this policy, but because no one bothered to mention it until after I had waited three weeks! I ended up buying the Bersa Thunder somewhere else and ended up getting an M&P 2.0 instead of the SD9VE from the same dealer when they first came out.
Coffee, because getting delayed is a very real possibility when buying guns, I suggest you find dealers to do business with that are willing to transfer guns after the three day waiting period. Otherwise, you could end up waiting for weeks, or months even, for a proceed that never comes. Going through the UPIN process can help, but getting one does not guarantee that you will not be delayed. Neither will getting a gun permit, depending on the state you live in. Welcome to the wonderful world of government inefficiency when it comes to buying guns!
Academy Sports is one that won't. I went to one of their local stores during their Christmas sale two Christmases ago and was going to buy a Bersa Thunder and an SD9VE. As usual, I got delayed. After three weeks of calling the store to check on the approval, I was finally informed that Academy will not sell a gun without a firm proceed. Needless to say, I was pissed--not because they have this policy, but because no one bothered to mention it until after I had waited three weeks! I ended up buying the Bersa Thunder somewhere else and ended up getting an M&P 2.0 instead of the SD9VE from the same dealer when they first came out.
Coffee, because getting delayed is a very real possibility when buying guns, I suggest you find dealers to do business with that are willing to transfer guns after the three day waiting period. Otherwise, you could end up waiting for weeks, or months even, for a proceed that never comes. Going through the UPIN process can help, but getting one does not guarantee that you will not be delayed. Neither will getting a gun permit, depending on the state you live in. Welcome to the wonderful world of government inefficiency when it comes to buying guns!
JoeSixpack
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SOSD
Since you've had a lot of experience with this I have a few questions, I'll understand if you don't want to answer them.
#1 what is your race? (Sorry, hate to bring it up Im just curious if minorities are being tagged with delays more)
#2 do you provide your SSN?
#3 Have you ever found the reason for any of the delays? is it always the same reason.
Since you've had a lot of experience with this I have a few questions, I'll understand if you don't want to answer them.
#1 what is your race? (Sorry, hate to bring it up Im just curious if minorities are being tagged with delays more)
#2 do you provide your SSN?
#3 Have you ever found the reason for any of the delays? is it always the same reason.
SonOfScubaDiver
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#1-Hispanic, but I doubt that has anything to do with it. My son has never been delayed.
#2-Yes, but it has never helped.
#3-No, I haven't found out why but that's because I've never gotten a deny status, just always delay. It's possible that my arrest record from when I was young and dumb plays a role in it, but none of that resulted in a felony conviction. I passed background checks to become an insurance agent years ago, and more recently for truck driving related checks including Hazmat and TWIC card.
#2-Yes, but it has never helped.
#3-No, I haven't found out why but that's because I've never gotten a deny status, just always delay. It's possible that my arrest record from when I was young and dumb plays a role in it, but none of that resulted in a felony conviction. I passed background checks to become an insurance agent years ago, and more recently for truck driving related checks including Hazmat and TWIC card.
JoeSixpack
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Hmm, I bet your right.. It seems like providing your SSN should eliminate any identity problems so it must be them going over your past.
I wonder if they can put some sort annotation so they don't have to fine toothing your record every time, but I suppose this would require some sort of record keeping and far as I know they're not suppose to.. suppose to be read-only checks I think.
Even so it seems like they should be able to give a proceed rather quickly I would think.. 3 weeks is ridiculous by any standard.
I wonder if they can put some sort annotation so they don't have to fine toothing your record every time, but I suppose this would require some sort of record keeping and far as I know they're not suppose to.. suppose to be read-only checks I think.
Even so it seems like they should be able to give a proceed rather quickly I would think.. 3 weeks is ridiculous by any standard.
dogtown tom
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"Hispanic" is an ethnicity, not a race.
Question 10a asks ethnicity.
Question 10b asks for race.
CoffeeShooter
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Delayed one background check at one store and passed at another!
Well 8 days ago one store I was delayed which is a blessing cause I changed mind about what firearm I wanted. Today I went to another while still on delay and I passed and was able to buy a Glock 19. Any reason for this or is all random?
Well 8 days ago one store I was delayed which is a blessing cause I changed mind about what firearm I wanted. Today I went to another while still on delay and I passed and was able to buy a Glock 19. Any reason for this or is all random?
Evan Thomas
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Again, merged with existing thread.
Posting to an old thread I know, but if you are in a state where long guns and handguns take different paths for the check (& the state does the handgun check) you might have better luck getting down to the bottom of reasons for delay by buying a handgun, observing the delay, and approaching the state agency. Or you might find the state agency does not produce the delay.
It obviously depends a lot on your state. Some states may be a worse black hole than the feds, however others are forced to be accountable and can be questioned directly.
It obviously depends a lot on your state. Some states may be a worse black hole than the feds, however others are forced to be accountable and can be questioned directly.
Johny Smith
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Oh really, I have one and have to wait every time. Never use to but the game is even more rigged now. All design to make it more difficult and inconvenient.
A system thrown together under staffed and probably incompetent to boot.
It took my city a month to issue me my permit, after 2 separate approved courses that can only be taken if they are on their approve list. Then you go into the police dept. and fill out a half a books worth of paper work and then pay the fee and wait while they contact every nut-house in the State to see if you where ever a member, this is only good for 4 years, I go again this year and do the same [thing] all over again.
And the permit has to be sign by the Chief of police.
When I got it 4 years ago I had just gotten a parking ticket and called the officer on it at the police dept. When he asked me if I wanted to speak with his supervisor, it hit me like a ton of bricks, I simply smiled and said, "o-know officer I was just wondering why you sited me, where do I pay"
I even lie on my yearly gun club application to say I am a member of the NRA.
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dogtown tom
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Yes, REALLY.
At least 50% of my transfers are to holders of a Texas CHL/LTC, which serves as an exemption to the Brady law.
Since you didn't bother to list your state in your profile, I'll bet your permit DOES NOT meet the requirements to serve as an exemption. That's why you get the wait.
Uh, what?
While "the game" may be inconvenient, it's not rigged and its not difficult. And I doubt you have any inkling as to whether staffing is incompetent or anything else.
Move to a state where they respect your rights. Typically states where they have that much regulation don't have a firearm permit that the ATF recognizes as exempt from the Brady law.
Cool story.
Your parents must be proud.
Johny Smith
Moderator
...and no wait.