tahunua001
New member
hello all,
so long story short, I rushed out to a local going out of business sale and bought a mossberg mvp even though every shred of sense in my body screamed junk. well the thing is a pile of poopy. to say I'm not happy would be a major understatement.
even though the MVP is far from what I hoped for, it does have a lot of features that I like in a bolt gun, it's 223 so I've got plenty of ammo for it, it takes AR15 mags so I've got plenty of spares, and it shoots well enough. so now I am on the search for a better, more reliable alternative to the MVP for about the same price point($500 or less).
even though the MVP is the only one I know of from the factory that takes ar mags, I think I can settle for just about any detachable magazine model. right now there are two rifles that I am looking at the Howa 1500, and the Ruger american. between the two I'm having a hard time deciding.
The american is lighter than the howa but the howa has a nicer stock.
The Howa has a higher ammo capacity but the Ruger has a flush fitting mag(more attractive for me for hunting purposes)
the Howa has a much smoother action but the American has the better trigger.
both are within $20 of each other but the american is stainless and I prefer blued(plus I'm sure the blued models are cheaper)
the original intention was to get some spare mags so that I could pack multiple mags in the field for different applications but the Howa Mags are $40 each and I have yet to find spare American mags in the 223 action.
so there is my dilemma so I would appreciate some first hand experience with either or both rifles, or if there is any other suggestion for a 223, detachable mag bolt action in that price range I am all ears.
EDIT: lets try to ignore the 223 for hunting arguments, please.
so long story short, I rushed out to a local going out of business sale and bought a mossberg mvp even though every shred of sense in my body screamed junk. well the thing is a pile of poopy. to say I'm not happy would be a major understatement.
even though the MVP is far from what I hoped for, it does have a lot of features that I like in a bolt gun, it's 223 so I've got plenty of ammo for it, it takes AR15 mags so I've got plenty of spares, and it shoots well enough. so now I am on the search for a better, more reliable alternative to the MVP for about the same price point($500 or less).
even though the MVP is the only one I know of from the factory that takes ar mags, I think I can settle for just about any detachable magazine model. right now there are two rifles that I am looking at the Howa 1500, and the Ruger american. between the two I'm having a hard time deciding.
The american is lighter than the howa but the howa has a nicer stock.
The Howa has a higher ammo capacity but the Ruger has a flush fitting mag(more attractive for me for hunting purposes)
the Howa has a much smoother action but the American has the better trigger.
both are within $20 of each other but the american is stainless and I prefer blued(plus I'm sure the blued models are cheaper)
the original intention was to get some spare mags so that I could pack multiple mags in the field for different applications but the Howa Mags are $40 each and I have yet to find spare American mags in the 223 action.
so there is my dilemma so I would appreciate some first hand experience with either or both rifles, or if there is any other suggestion for a 223, detachable mag bolt action in that price range I am all ears.
EDIT: lets try to ignore the 223 for hunting arguments, please.