Recoil Question

Brent, congratulations on your 5,000th posting!

Try the comparison I suggested with Fed paper's and equally loaded promotional plastics... you notice the difference.

In addition to what BigJim said:

Some reloaders select their components because they are trying to duplicate the factory load performance, irrespective of recoil, as close as is possible with the available components. They want no perceivable difference between their reloads and factory shells.

You ask what is a perceivable difference, it depends on you skill level. There are shooters out there who are almost human chronographs. With an extreme crossing shot, like Skeet's High Two or Low Six, they can tell by where they hit the target the velocity of the shot with surprising accuracy.

On the opposite end of the scale, there are reloaders who select their components entirely based on cost. The cheapest powder, the cheapest primers... They're after the biggest bang for their buck. For 12-ga trap and skeet they'll claim there is no difference between new shot and field cleaned reclaimed shot. I knew one couple who'd walk the drop zone collecting one-piece plastic wads. They ran them through the laundry, then sorted them and culled those with damaged gas seals.
 
Last edited:
I don't know how to quantify Felt or Perceived Recoil ... it gets into noise, anticipation, etc ...

We know we can calculate recoil - velocity, weight of shot and wad, weight of gun - and if we factor in pressure somehow ( per Zippy's well explained posts ) the actual recoil might be a little more or a little less than what we calculate....

There are also mechanical or air systems - like the GraCoil and others that have to go into this equation somehow ... we know they reduce the recoil felt by the shooter / or why would anyone buy them .... Mercury supression tubes that add weight - but they claim movement of the mercury thru holes inside have an affect as well .... or Mercury end caps on semi-autos its part weight / part the movement of the mercury ( they claim )...

so Felt and Perceived Recoil get into all kinds of problems and issues ...

and congratulations on the 5,000 post Brent .... glad to have you around ..
 
I don't know how to quantify Felt or Perceived Recoil ... it gets into noise, anticipation, etc ...
IMHO, we don't need to quantify. Relative is good enough to know if one load "kicks" more than another. As far as anticipation, that's why I suggested a blind test. Have someone load your mag so you won't know what's coming up next. You should be able to judge if its "kick" is the same, hotter, or softer than the previous shell.

I think Brent asks, from a non-reloaders viewpoint, if there are mild-to-wild "kicking" shot shell loads like there are with center-fire rifle loads. Yes, shot shell "kick" ranges from soft to heavy. Especially when you consider all of the factory loadings in the various gauges. Toss in all the additional loads available to reloaders, and the possibilities are almost endless.

In my previous reply, I neglected to mention another group of shot shell reloaders: The Boomers, those who reload because the factory loads aren't hot enough. You may have seen these guys after the traditional shooters are done for the day. Their guns are hell-for-stout and they favor heavy loads of Blue Dot type powders. If you've used Blue Dot, you know why they are called Boomers. Their games are centered around trap shooting at ranges well exceeding the standard long yardage of 27- yds. And, it's not unheard of that cash be used to assist the score keeping.
 
And when those "sharks" come out after dinner at a "shoot" - put your money and your gun in the car ---- because that guy in the wheel chair - with the beat up pump gun, that he's used for a duck boat paddle, can knock them out of the sky from 40 yards behind the house, from the parking lot ..... and make you whine like a girl / of course some of the girls may make you whine like a girl too ... ( and they only play for cash ..)

but it is fun to watch / maybe put a side bet on who will win ...

No joke - the wholesome looking grandma - when she comes out of the RV with a 34" Krieghoff single barrel is liable to whip your butt ....and the reason you didn't see her shoot during the day / is there wasn't enough cash in it and she was busy watching the grandkids ...
 
Last edited:
BJP, That reminds me of many of my younger "capital gains" ventures... many made me some dough others not so much. Many created enemies that would have loved to cross my path in the dark. Building a Harley dresser with 6K in the motor and nothin for looks.
jrandflt.jpg

ALL GO NO SHOW!!!!
While the thing was a full dresser yet suckered many MANY bikers for 1-5K per street race, the only races I lost were the ones preceding the double or nuttin race I begged for. Many a man on a gorgeous fairly well built "sled" sniffed my fumes... Here we have guys breaking out several thousand dollars worth of specialty gun to "turkey shoot" for a summer sausage or frozen bird:rolleyes::eek:

Brent
 
Back
Top