Reactivation of the '95 Assault Weapons Ban
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armoredman
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alan, reminiscent of Spike Lee saying Charlton Heston should be shot in the face by a Bulldog .44. Or that Brady spokesbeing, warning a blogger he was going to shoot them.
If they want all this control, let's start with them. They are obviously mentally unstable...
If they want all this control, let's start with them. They are obviously mentally unstable...
IMHO The biggest problem
with all this "assault weapons" ban is the fact that the politicos don't really know what an assualt weapon is.
An assault weapon is a FULL AUTOMATIC weapon. That law has been on the books for decades. If they don't like the looks of a rifle or if it has a large capacity magazine they call it an assault weapon...
with all this "assault weapons" ban is the fact that the politicos don't really know what an assualt weapon is.
An assault weapon is a FULL AUTOMATIC weapon. That law has been on the books for decades. If they don't like the looks of a rifle or if it has a large capacity magazine they call it an assault weapon...
They don't care whether they're right or not, it's all about selling votes based on fear and disarming effective opposition to them so they have absolutely no obstacle to absolute power. No amount of information to the politicians will do any good whatsoever. Only to informing some of the voters will any good be done. Too many sheeple live by fear and ignorance and fiercely cling to both. As to why I haven't the foggiest idea and it only frustrates me day after day. Every time I even hear about it it instantly infuriates me because I hate the idiocy ruining the country I live in.
cohoskip wrote:
with all this "assault weapons" ban is the fact that the politicos don't really know what an assault weapon is.
An assault weapon is a FULL AUTOMATIC weapon. That law has been on the books for decades. If they don't like the looks of a rifle or if it has a large capacity magazine they call it an assault weapon...
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You are partly correct in that the anti's are after anything that goes BANG. As to other aspects, "assault weapons"(rifles) are "SELECTIVE FIRE WEAPONS CHAMBERED FOR INTERMEDIATE POWER CARTRIGES", though you would never know it from the output of the anti gun side. Also, how is it that such smart people seem totally unaware of existing federal law, in particular, though not limited to The National Firearms Act of 1934.
Part of the problem is as follows, in my opinion. The pro gun side has allowed the anti gun side to frame the issue, via allowing them to misuse technical terminology, as well as neglecting to really nail such liars as Sarah Brady, who once offered that "... if the Brady Law had been in effect, Hinckley would have been prevented from buying the hand gun he used to shoot Jim Brady and then President Reagan". Totally untrue.
Now then, some of the above is "water over the dam" however it remains something that the pro gun side needs to learn. It also seems to be something they aren't learning.
with all this "assault weapons" ban is the fact that the politicos don't really know what an assault weapon is.
An assault weapon is a FULL AUTOMATIC weapon. That law has been on the books for decades. If they don't like the looks of a rifle or if it has a large capacity magazine they call it an assault weapon...
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You are partly correct in that the anti's are after anything that goes BANG. As to other aspects, "assault weapons"(rifles) are "SELECTIVE FIRE WEAPONS CHAMBERED FOR INTERMEDIATE POWER CARTRIGES", though you would never know it from the output of the anti gun side. Also, how is it that such smart people seem totally unaware of existing federal law, in particular, though not limited to The National Firearms Act of 1934.
Part of the problem is as follows, in my opinion. The pro gun side has allowed the anti gun side to frame the issue, via allowing them to misuse technical terminology, as well as neglecting to really nail such liars as Sarah Brady, who once offered that "... if the Brady Law had been in effect, Hinckley would have been prevented from buying the hand gun he used to shoot Jim Brady and then President Reagan". Totally untrue.
Now then, some of the above is "water over the dam" however it remains something that the pro gun side needs to learn. It also seems to be something they aren't learning.
armoredman
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Exactly. We have become too, to steal a term from them, tolerant of them. Personally I don't tolerate it one little bit. It bothers me a lot. I write as much as I can where it's applicable, but I feel like I'm screaming at a brick wall. I'm tired of feeling like that. And no, I can't go back to simply ignoring it or being ignorant of it. Complacency has gotten us where we are and I AM SICK OF IT! I am tired of this "Oh well, it's not my problem. I don't own/do/hunt/shoot that or live/work there" and "That's just the way it is, because it's the way it is" CRAP. You may tire of seeing me say it--I tire of it being true. If it doesn't sicken you, then I suggest you examine yourself. I forget whether I read it here or elsewhere, but it applies:
"If ye love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, then go from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands that feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." -- Samuel Adams
The hero with two kids and a mortgage excuse is costing us our freedom, and you know who you are when you read me say that.
"If ye love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, then go from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands that feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." -- Samuel Adams
The hero with two kids and a mortgage excuse is costing us our freedom, and you know who you are when you read me say that.
Thunderhawk88
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Well this sure won't help.....
Cops find themselves in arms race with criminals
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/05/cops.guns/index.html#cnnSTCVideo
By Susan Candiotti
CNN
WEST PALM BEACH, Florida (CNN) -- The war on the streets is escalating. As gangs and other criminals pack more firepower, police departments say they find themselves in an arms race.
Sgt. Laurie Pfeil practices shooting a semiautomatic weapon in Palm Beach County, Florida.
1 of 3 The officers say they need to level the playing field to survive. And so, on a bright October day about a dozen Palm Beach County sheriff's deputies brought out their big guns at the local firing range.
Rifles crackled. Shell casings flew. Bullets sailed at 3,200 feet per second through paper targets set up a football field's length away.
The sharpshooters weren't training for a SWAT team. These were the deputies who patrol the streets and roads from the glittery Gold Coast to the swamps of the Everglades. Watch cops practice firing the big guns »
The fatal shooting in September of a Miami-Dade police officer by a man using an assault weapon put all South Florida police departments on edge. Several other officers were wounded by the gunfire.
"It's not nice we have to arm ourselves like the soldiers in Iraq," said Sgt. Laurie Pfeil, who supervises a sheriff's road patrol in Palm Beach County and is now certified to carry a semiautomatic AR-15 rifle on the job. It's the civilian version of the military's M-16 used by U.S. soldiers in Iraq.
"We are like soldiers. It is a war, " says Sgt Pfeil.
Across the country, at least 62 police officers have been gunned down this year -- a record pace, said Robert Tessaro, the associate director for law enforcement relations for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.
As a result, the Brady organization supports police officers arming themselves with high-powered weapons "to protect themselves and their communities," he said.
"We're having more than one officer shot and killed a week. It's just outrageous that officers are being targeted," he said. "It's something I think all Americans should be outraged about."
He lays the blame squarely on lawmakers who allowed the assault weapons ban to expire in 2004.
Designed to be fired from the hip, assault rifles such as the AK-47 can spray at a rate of up to 600 rounds a minute in full automatic mode. It is the weapon of choice for guerillas and gangsters.
Cops prefer to squeeze off single shots in semiautomatic mode because it makes for more accurate shooting. Some semiautomatic weapon's can fire with pinpoint accuracy from as far as 100 yards away. The magazines used by law enforcement typically carry 20 or 30 rounds, adding to the ability to better respond under fire.
There's no doubt that urban street warfare, aided by a proliferation of cheap automatic weapons, has come even to Palm Beach County, once high society's vacation mecca and a retirement destination for northern snowbirds.
Assault weapons have been used to kill eight people and wound 25 here over the last two years. Authorities estimate there are about 160 gangs who boast around 7000 members.
"They don't have .38s anymore. They have AK-47s. ...They have automatic weapons now," said Sgt. Pfeil.
So the Palm Beach Sheriff's office, like many others across the county, is training and arming everyone on the force with semiautomatic assault weapons. Many officers say it's about time.
"It's different now. It's shootings on a weekly basis. Ten years ago, that just didn't happen," said Pfeil. "They don't get out and run from us anymore. They stop, and they're shooting at us."
Miami's police department also is in the process of arming every officer with an assault rifle.
"It's a little bit embarrassing that we're engaged in this, but what is the alternative?" said Miami police Chief John Timoney. He said gangs, in particular, are getting their hands on high-powered weapons with apparent ease.
"The streets of South Florida are being flooded by AK-47s and assault weapons from old Soviet bloc countries. It's driven the price down, making the availability greater," said Chief Timoney.
The Miami police department evidence room has seized AK-47s, AR-15s and an assortment of other automatic and semiautomatic weapons piled on shelves from floor to ceiling.
Chief Timoney says he started noticing an increase since the federal assault weapon ban lapsed in 2004. Since then, he says homicides in the city of Miami involving assault weapons have been up -- 18 percent last year and 20 percent this year.
The Miami Police Department said 15 of its 79 homicides last year involved assault weapons, up from the year before. So far this year, 12 of 60 killings have involved the high-powered arms.
Tessaro said he recently attended a conference for the International Association of Chiefs of Police. Among the crime scene tape, squad cars, and other law enforcement gear offered for sale was the latest in high-powered assault weapons.
But it takes time and money to arm everyone. In the case of Palm Beach Sheriff's office, about one-third of its deputies carry assault weapons. It could take a year to get everyone equipped.
Some officers aren't waiting.
Palm Beach Sheriff's deputy Carl Martin bought his own AR-15 and passed the required training.
When his department offered him one of their weapons, he gave it up to someone else who was on the waiting list. "Because there's not enough to go around," he explained.
Cops find themselves in arms race with criminals
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/05/cops.guns/index.html#cnnSTCVideo
By Susan Candiotti
CNN
WEST PALM BEACH, Florida (CNN) -- The war on the streets is escalating. As gangs and other criminals pack more firepower, police departments say they find themselves in an arms race.
Sgt. Laurie Pfeil practices shooting a semiautomatic weapon in Palm Beach County, Florida.
1 of 3 The officers say they need to level the playing field to survive. And so, on a bright October day about a dozen Palm Beach County sheriff's deputies brought out their big guns at the local firing range.
Rifles crackled. Shell casings flew. Bullets sailed at 3,200 feet per second through paper targets set up a football field's length away.
The sharpshooters weren't training for a SWAT team. These were the deputies who patrol the streets and roads from the glittery Gold Coast to the swamps of the Everglades. Watch cops practice firing the big guns »
The fatal shooting in September of a Miami-Dade police officer by a man using an assault weapon put all South Florida police departments on edge. Several other officers were wounded by the gunfire.
"It's not nice we have to arm ourselves like the soldiers in Iraq," said Sgt. Laurie Pfeil, who supervises a sheriff's road patrol in Palm Beach County and is now certified to carry a semiautomatic AR-15 rifle on the job. It's the civilian version of the military's M-16 used by U.S. soldiers in Iraq.
"We are like soldiers. It is a war, " says Sgt Pfeil.
Across the country, at least 62 police officers have been gunned down this year -- a record pace, said Robert Tessaro, the associate director for law enforcement relations for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.
As a result, the Brady organization supports police officers arming themselves with high-powered weapons "to protect themselves and their communities," he said.
"We're having more than one officer shot and killed a week. It's just outrageous that officers are being targeted," he said. "It's something I think all Americans should be outraged about."
He lays the blame squarely on lawmakers who allowed the assault weapons ban to expire in 2004.
Designed to be fired from the hip, assault rifles such as the AK-47 can spray at a rate of up to 600 rounds a minute in full automatic mode. It is the weapon of choice for guerillas and gangsters.
Cops prefer to squeeze off single shots in semiautomatic mode because it makes for more accurate shooting. Some semiautomatic weapon's can fire with pinpoint accuracy from as far as 100 yards away. The magazines used by law enforcement typically carry 20 or 30 rounds, adding to the ability to better respond under fire.
There's no doubt that urban street warfare, aided by a proliferation of cheap automatic weapons, has come even to Palm Beach County, once high society's vacation mecca and a retirement destination for northern snowbirds.
Assault weapons have been used to kill eight people and wound 25 here over the last two years. Authorities estimate there are about 160 gangs who boast around 7000 members.
"They don't have .38s anymore. They have AK-47s. ...They have automatic weapons now," said Sgt. Pfeil.
So the Palm Beach Sheriff's office, like many others across the county, is training and arming everyone on the force with semiautomatic assault weapons. Many officers say it's about time.
"It's different now. It's shootings on a weekly basis. Ten years ago, that just didn't happen," said Pfeil. "They don't get out and run from us anymore. They stop, and they're shooting at us."
Miami's police department also is in the process of arming every officer with an assault rifle.
"It's a little bit embarrassing that we're engaged in this, but what is the alternative?" said Miami police Chief John Timoney. He said gangs, in particular, are getting their hands on high-powered weapons with apparent ease.
"The streets of South Florida are being flooded by AK-47s and assault weapons from old Soviet bloc countries. It's driven the price down, making the availability greater," said Chief Timoney.
The Miami police department evidence room has seized AK-47s, AR-15s and an assortment of other automatic and semiautomatic weapons piled on shelves from floor to ceiling.
Chief Timoney says he started noticing an increase since the federal assault weapon ban lapsed in 2004. Since then, he says homicides in the city of Miami involving assault weapons have been up -- 18 percent last year and 20 percent this year.
The Miami Police Department said 15 of its 79 homicides last year involved assault weapons, up from the year before. So far this year, 12 of 60 killings have involved the high-powered arms.
Tessaro said he recently attended a conference for the International Association of Chiefs of Police. Among the crime scene tape, squad cars, and other law enforcement gear offered for sale was the latest in high-powered assault weapons.
But it takes time and money to arm everyone. In the case of Palm Beach Sheriff's office, about one-third of its deputies carry assault weapons. It could take a year to get everyone equipped.
Some officers aren't waiting.
Palm Beach Sheriff's deputy Carl Martin bought his own AR-15 and passed the required training.
When his department offered him one of their weapons, he gave it up to someone else who was on the waiting list. "Because there's not enough to go around," he explained.
So just where are these gangbangers getting all those "cheap" automatic AK-47's from? 
I find it interesting that the reporter makes the distinction that the gangs have full auto firearms while the police are using mere semi-autos... And then relates it to the AWB of '94 sunsetting, as the cause of all this.
I find it interesting that the reporter makes the distinction that the gangs have full auto firearms while the police are using mere semi-autos... And then relates it to the AWB of '94 sunsetting, as the cause of all this.
Antipitas writes:
So just where are these gangbangers getting all those "cheap" automatic AK-47's from?
I find it interesting that the reporter makes the distinction that the gangs have full auto firearms while the police are using mere semi-autos... And then relates it to the AWB of '94 sun setting, as the cause of all this.
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I also wonder re the supposed "easy availability" of AUTOMATIC WEAPONS, as to the following. Given that the sale and possession of automatic weapons, otherwise machineguns and or selective fire weapons, actual not those that simply look like the above mentioned, has been strictly regulated in federal law since 1934 (National Firearms Act of 1934), has this law been repealed?
Also, the so-called Assault Weapons Ban, the one that sunsetted in 2004, did nothing respecting real assault weapons/real assault rifles, those properly defined as SELECTIVE FIRE WEAPONS, USUALLY OF RIFLE CONFIGURATION, CHAMBERED FOR INTRERMEDIATE POWER CARTRIDGES, which as above noted were already regulated under the 1934 Act.
Re the following, excerpted from the news story: "Designed to be fired from the hip assault rifles such as the AK-47 can spray at a rate of up to 600 rounds a minute in full automatic mode", where did the reporter get this information from?
Once again, are automatic weapons, as opposed to "look-alikes", really so available, or is what we see here simply an example of media hype, and technical ignorance, the latter having become ncreasingly hard to take, given that factual material is readily available.
So just where are these gangbangers getting all those "cheap" automatic AK-47's from?
I find it interesting that the reporter makes the distinction that the gangs have full auto firearms while the police are using mere semi-autos... And then relates it to the AWB of '94 sun setting, as the cause of all this.
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I also wonder re the supposed "easy availability" of AUTOMATIC WEAPONS, as to the following. Given that the sale and possession of automatic weapons, otherwise machineguns and or selective fire weapons, actual not those that simply look like the above mentioned, has been strictly regulated in federal law since 1934 (National Firearms Act of 1934), has this law been repealed?
Also, the so-called Assault Weapons Ban, the one that sunsetted in 2004, did nothing respecting real assault weapons/real assault rifles, those properly defined as SELECTIVE FIRE WEAPONS, USUALLY OF RIFLE CONFIGURATION, CHAMBERED FOR INTRERMEDIATE POWER CARTRIDGES, which as above noted were already regulated under the 1934 Act.
Re the following, excerpted from the news story: "Designed to be fired from the hip assault rifles such as the AK-47 can spray at a rate of up to 600 rounds a minute in full automatic mode", where did the reporter get this information from?
Once again, are automatic weapons, as opposed to "look-alikes", really so available, or is what we see here simply an example of media hype, and technical ignorance, the latter having become ncreasingly hard to take, given that factual material is readily available.