RCBS outsourcing production

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It appears RCBS is now outsourcing production for its dies etc. to China.

How is this affecting quality? Can't be good.
 
Now there's something to discuss. Could be a deal breaker for some since there are other die makers that don't resort to China for parts/resources. One does wonder what portion comes from China. Could be anything from machined parts to the box.
 
So does nearly every other manufacturer. Hard to be a bag of rice a week for a pay scale. China owns most of the U.S. national debt too.
 
Looking at the pictures more closely, are those labels from dies or some other product? The part numbers don't seem to be those of dies.
 
Only thing I could find possibly made in China for RCBS was chronograph diffuser and their chronograph. And their die boxes.
I'm guessing some of their digital scales, not sure.
 
I ran a search and came up with nothing.

It says made with USA and China parts.

It would help a lot if the OP would list what he is showing unless the idea is to stir things up.
 
Everybody is focused on the Chinese involvement when they should be just as wary of the American parts. You can't just assume that because it's made in the US it's great or because it's made in China it's bad. Assumption is the mother of all screw ups.

I wouldn't worry about it.
 
Hard to be [sic] a bag of rice a week for a pay scale.
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Actually, the going rate for skilled industrial labor in the zone of China within 300 miles of the Pacific Coast is just under $7 per hour.

Most interestingly, plant managers at foreign-owned plants in China now make, on average, more than plant managers in the country of the foreign parent.

China owns most of the U.S. national debt too.
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Not anywhere near true.

The single largest holder of U.S. debt is the Social Security Administration. The second largest holder is the Federal Government itself (in the form of agency receivables), followed by the Federal Reserve banks. China comes in a distant fourth at about 8%, just barely beating out Japan and U.S. mutual funds. Add in holdings by State and Local governments and the largest holder of the Federal Debt is US.
 
It appears RCBS is now outsourcing production for its dies etc. to China.
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All of the major reloading equipment makers are now sourcing some components from China. Part of the reason is that some of these parts are no longer made in the U.S. at all.

How is this affecting quality? Can't be good.
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Why would you assume something made in China is inferior?

When it comes to fabricated metals, China is as capable of producing quality products as anyone else. In some cases, China is becoming the preferred provider because their companies have been investing in newer machinery capable of greater accuracy and faster changeovers while companies in other countries have deferred upgrading their equipment.

The world is changing very quickly as we spent the last four decades hollowing-out our economy. The stereotypes of 1990 or 2000 no longer necessarily apply.
 
You can't just assume that because it's made in the US it's great or because it's made in China it's bad.
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Excellent point TruthTellers and true. However there is the camp that like U.S. companies and like to spend their money supporting U.S. companies and their workers and get frustrated seeing stuff we used to make now being made overseas. This gets into a whole 'nother can o'worms that we probably should avoid getting into since we are a firearms site.

I'm just saying that quality is not necessarily the main objection to buying foreign goods. But again, the U.S./Foreign debate is probably something we should not get into.
 
It's been known for a while that the forgings for the reloading presses were coming from China.

Press forgings
Chargemaster scales and powder dispensers
Brass Tumblers
Chronograph
Ultra Sonic Cleaners

All from China

Likely all RCBS products with electronics are Chinese made.

Dies? Unsure. But apparently the boxes they come in are from China so......
 
Where a component is made is down the list for me IF the company selling it has there own quality control, customer service, and warranty.

I have always been pleased with RCBS products, their customer service, and the warranty.
So this is not a concern for me seeing made in china.
 
Agreed, RCBS is great and is my go to.

I prefer US products that are well made. Always bought as much as I could (now you can't even fine some of that like extension cord)

That said, in 2005 we bought a VW Diesel Passat Wagon. No car remotely like it by a US supplier (Saturn the closest with their wagon, closed down by then) - none could match the diesel fuel mileage, it allowed us to maintain a reasonable life amidst in high fuel prices.

What many have found is you can get good quality form China, but you have to bird dog the operation with a full time staff.

Or you have to OWN it. So everyone works out their own strategy.

What I can tell you, open source, we can't make cheap products as cheap as China.

They generally can't make good products as good as we can and beat us on price.

That's why you don't see high quality hand tools from China. Proto, Snap on, MAc etc beat them hollow (and with support)

I am not going to throw RCBS under the buss because some troll throws out a read haring with no attribution and selective pictures.
 
I think that most of the opposition to "Made in China" has as its theme the idea of Patriotism and not a fear of lower quality.
 
"Made in China" is a phobia that goes back as long as I can remember, not that long in the whole but still. The fact of the matter now days is some one in china is capable of building thing as well or as cheap as you want. Just the same as the U.S. Lets not forget the high point is made in the U.S.:rolleyes:
 
What is NOT made in China today?
If someone is so upset about things made in China or overseas, take a very hard look at
what you buy today.
All cars have overseas parts in them, your cell phone where is it made?
The computer you have made these posts on, ect., ect.!

What you are looking at is the quality of workmanship, not where the product is made.
 
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