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TunnelRat said:
I don't see why the two would be or have to be mutually exclusive. I took this thread as someone sharing what his setup was for a personal defense pistol. I don't see him stating that his setup precludes the basic steps to self defense, nor is this the Tactics subforum (which we do have). I do believe there has been some assumption in this thread by multiple people that in sharing this setup Model somehow is disregarding any importance on training and is simply parroting things he has seen. That's simply my interpretation of some of the posts here.
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Thank you TR I was kind of getting that feeling.

Guys I doubt I have as much training or experience as you but I have qualified and used the M9 in the military for 7 years and shoot every chance I get. I know I need to take some defensive shooting classes but if it helps in the least (which it probably doesn't) I have read multiple books from Mas Ayoob and others on self defense shootings and have watched many YouTube videos... hey, it's something! :o

Just was sharing my home defense pistol with you all and wanting to see if you liked it or more importantly had any recommendations for or against the modifications I've done to it in order to boost its effectiveness in the role. I never stated I don't need to train with the gun or that I do not train, which is not true. Thank you for your time.

M12
 
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I don't see why the two would be or have to be mutually exclusive. I took this thread as someone sharing what his setup was for a personal defense pistol. I don't see him stating that his setup precludes the basic steps to self defense, nor is this the Tactics subforum (which we do have). I do believe there has been some assumption in this thread by multiple people that in sharing this setup Model somehow is disregarding any importance on training and is simply parroting things he has seen. That's simply my interpretation of some of the posts here.

Quote: Thank you TR I was kind of getting that feeling.
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Same here.
 
Northof50 said:
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The Hunted....... I think is the movie your talking about.

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To reiterate my original post. Over thought, and over done. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the gun you have carried all day as a HD weapon. Add a flashlight in your hand, done.
If what you carry all day as an EDC isn't good enough for home defence. why do you carry it all day?
If it makes you happy to add all the extras, have at it. The accessory market is very happy.
 
I own both the M9A1 & M9A3's. The only other modification I would recommend on this one would be the oversize magazine release (available on Beretta's website). It's a great, accurate gun.

If you ever get the M9A3 sometime in the future, I would consider adding a silencer for the home defense pistol.
 
Cheapshooter I don't understand your need to reiterate your disapproval. You made it pretty clear in your original post.

I also don't understand what makes this pistol over thought or over done. The replacement steel parts may not be required, but many here replace original parts because they prefer another material. Seems like a justifiable choice to me. The night sights, lighter spring, safety changes and more comfortable grips are modifications that defensibly make the pistol easier to use. A mounted light is a very common addition to home defense guns, whether you or I like them or not.

M12 asked us to rate his pistol. We can do that without being disagreeable.
 
Since when is an honest opinion disrespectful?
The 92 SF is a great gun the way it comes. I have one, and see no need to mess with it. Why add a bunch of unnecessary parts? The OP asked to rate it, I did. Just not into technicool Rambo stuff on guns intended for SD.
The 870 I posted earlier was just something I threw together for grins Just to see what kind of Rambo stuff I could hang on it. HD, no, it stays in the safe. My HD gun is the unmodified Springer XD40 Sub Compact I carry every day, and a streamlight flashlight.
 
Looks good to me Model12...

The light attached to the rail = you're not fumbling with a flashlight to identify an intruder in the bedroom, and yes it will illuminate without "covering" anything you don't want to shoot....I've got one on my Sig P226 Mk25. Attached to the gun, it's one less thing you've got to pick up on the way to our safe place. For a different purpose, equally useful, our local county police have them attached to their duty weapons.

The Tritium night sights = good if the light goes out, or all by themselves. Got 'em on my Sig and have used them in near complete darkness for raccoons in our horse feed out at the barn.

Extra magazines if I read your post right = we live :30 from any law enforcement help on the best of nights, those extra mags might come in handy if you need to barricade your family til the posse arrives.

And the rest 'fits' the gun to your hands and manual of arms...no problems/suggestions there either.

Nice job...Rod
 
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rodfac said:
Looks good to me Model12...

The light attached to the rail = you're not fumbling with a flashlight to identify an intruder in the bedroom, and yes it will illuminate without "covering" anything you don't want to shoot....I've got one on my Sig P226 Mk25. Attached to the gun, it's one less thing you've got to pick up on the way to our safe place. For a different purpose, equally useful, our local county police have them attached to their duty weapons.

The Tritium night sights = good if the light goes out, or all by themselves. Got 'em on my Sig and have used them in near complete darkness for raccoons in our horse feed out at the barn.

Extra magazines if I read your post right = we live :30 from any law enforcement help on the best of nights, those extra mags might come in handy if you need to barricade your family til the posse arrives.

And the rest 'fits' the gun to your hands and manual of arms...no problems/suggestions there either.

Nice job...Rod
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Thank you, Rod!
 
Since you asked to rate it I am with the gun is good without anything else crowd. To each their own, if it works for you then it is highly rated.
 
My Home combo is a Springfield 1911 and an 870 Tactical because I want large holes at close range. The way a street light illuminates the downstairs, I don't need a light. Also, a flashlight ruins night vision inside the house.
 
I think I will stick with the same model 15 I have used for the last 25+ years. If I went with a semi auto it would be a box stock Glock 19. But if the OP likes it then fine by me.

I am not much on gizmo guns.
 
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My Home combo is a Springfield 1911 and an 870 Tactical because I want large holes at close range. The way a street light illuminates the downstairs, I don't need a light. Also, a flashlight ruins night vision inside the house.
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Yup light ruins night vision, but identifying your target is pretty essential.


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Gizmo guns? Because of a light, grips, and factory parts? Man you must have your mind blown by a current production automobile.


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1st the average 92fs/M9/etc. is a GREAT pistol. Proven in some of the worlds worst holes, used by some of the finest. It is every bit Glock 17 or SIG P226.

2nd. White light is never wrong, especially when it comes to home defense. I am not talking military action or even searching activities done by a LEO. A light on the Gun is a tool. It must be used properly and it certainly comes with drawbacks. You weigh your pros and cons and “you takes your chances”. For what it’s worth with any light 60 lumens or greater there is enough light bounce from ceiling or floor to allow target ID without pointing the gun at little Suzy sneaking in with her boyfriend.

3rd a light attached to a pistol is a target. Don’t leave it on. Flash and move and realize you just became a target.

4th a light on the Gun does not mean you cannot have a handheld as well.

5th self defense plannIng is personal. Frankly I have enough light in my house at all times barring a blackout where i technically would never need a light or night sights. I have them as a contingency. That doesn’t mean my setup works for you. I practice accessing my tools and my shooting lanes. All of that will be drastically different for you.

6th we all know tools NEVER trump mindset or training etc. but they sure as hell help and better to have and not need them need and not have.

7th. I think that 92 is a helluva setup if you can use it.

8th the only problem with your setup assuming skill/training is ........... it’s not a 12 gauge. ;)

Take care shoot safe and realize that the tool is way down on the list of factors. Have ANY Gun. Have access to it. Be able to employ it safely and effectively. Pray Mr. Murphy doesn’t have you on his sh@$t list that day.
 
Gizmo guns? Because of a light, grips, and factory parts? Man you must have your mind blown by a current production automobile.
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Nope. My opinion is based on an article I read many years ago showing the handguns used by real soldiers and lawmen. These were the men who had actually used their guns to defend their lives. Real men. Not internet commandos. And their guns were the most basic, plain Jane guns you could imagine. They made the point you wouldn't look twice at them on a gunshow table.

My uncle was a cop and killed one man while on duty. He did it with his issue model 15 and round nose lead bullets. As far as I know the only improvement he made to his gun was a white outline rear sight blade. And when he used his gun it was dark and the white outline sight added nothing to his aid.

If the OP wants to add custom grips, lights, new parts or whatever fine by me. But that doesn't make him anymore prepared than if his gun was bone stock just like it came from the box. He asked for opinions and I gave mine. Does that offend you?
 
Well todays real military and LEO have access to all kinds of new and improved firearms and other gear that was not part of the plan even 10 years ago. My dads armor BITD was a jacket and metal badge.
I think the gun is fine, give or take the light, which seems to have a never ending debate life.
 
Offend me? No. Do I disagree and am stating my disagreement? Yea. Many officers today have lights. Handhelds have been common for decades and weapon mounted common for a number of years now. So if your argument is what “real men” use then your own argument falls flat. I can verify this personally having been instructed by and being on the firing line with both military and LE. Because a military unit or police department doesn’t have certain gear and makes due without said gear doesn’t make that an ideal situation or the preferable one at that.

Plenty of people were killed by single action revolvers and lever action rifles, but we moved on. Technology advances, and not just “gizmos” but the firearms themselves and bullet technology too. And guess what? Those changes, once shown to have real world effects, are often embraced by those same people you’re using as examples. At one point in time optics on rifles were a “crutch” or just another thing that could go wrong. Tell that to militaries and law enforcement agencies today. The US Army’s M17 pistol has a rail for mounting lights and lasers and slide cuts for an optic. The trials also had an entire aspect that was hollow point ammunition.

Being able to identify what you are shooting at, especially for a civilian without the legal protection of an agency or department, is critical. Hence lights. And yes to me a light, handheld or mounted, absolutely makes you more prepared. Grips have been changed for many decades to suit user preference and frankly just because some people like them. For that matter people have been modifying firearms to suit their purposes for hundreds of years. None of this is new. Is all of it necessary? Probably not. But if people never tried out new technology or looked for solutions to what they saw as problems or improvements to those solutions we’d still be throwing spears and not shooting firearms.


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