Range First Aid Kit
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tommygun45
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Sucking Chest Wound
Blunder,
I am not sure about sealing a chest wound with duct tape. Most medics recomend letting it ventalate to avoid causing a tention pneumo thorax or a tention hemo thorax. I for one don't really want to put a chest tube in after the fact. At best you can use an Asherman chest seal with one way valve or at least a three sided dressing, or just let the wound breathe with out cover. Great advice about the currlex. BTW I found it in my local Right Aid.
Blunder,
I am not sure about sealing a chest wound with duct tape. Most medics recomend letting it ventalate to avoid causing a tention pneumo thorax or a tention hemo thorax. I for one don't really want to put a chest tube in after the fact. At best you can use an Asherman chest seal with one way valve or at least a three sided dressing, or just let the wound breathe with out cover. Great advice about the currlex. BTW I found it in my local Right Aid.
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I bring a 1st aid kit...needed it for a couple skeet shooters who got their digits caught either in the action of a bolt closing, or an O/U action.
Scraped up my hand while shooting one handed around a rough wooden barrier, and getting my thumb caught in my Benelli's carrier while loading.
I bring a 1st aid kit...needed it for a couple skeet shooters who got their digits caught either in the action of a bolt closing, or an O/U action.
Scraped up my hand while shooting one handed around a rough wooden barrier, and getting my thumb caught in my Benelli's carrier while loading.
David Blinder
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Tommygun45, I guess my joke about duct taping a sucking chest wound was taken seriously. Actually there are multiple types of pneumo thorax. The tension occurs when air builds up under pressure and causes dysfunction of cardiovascular system while the simple is due to insufficient buildup of pressure occurs in pleural space which also causes dysfunction. Don't forget spontaneous & traumatic pneumo thorax while you're at it. In any event, a chest tube or needle aspiration is the normal treatment and I doubt if many of us are prepared to perform that in the field. BTW, I forgot to mention that you should also carry WD-40 in case anything is stuck together and needs to be taken apart.
WHOA!!!!!!
Guys,
All I wanted was to find out what the average guy like me should have to be able to cope with the unexpected medical problems one might encounter on the range. I really do NOT want to get into field surgery.
At my present level of training all I intend to do is stop bleeding and prevent shock long enough for the trained professional to get there and do what they are paid and trained to do.
Actually though the side trips this thread has taken are interesting, and who knows. Maybe some of the things said here might come in handy one day.
Guys,
All I wanted was to find out what the average guy like me should have to be able to cope with the unexpected medical problems one might encounter on the range. I really do NOT want to get into field surgery.
At my present level of training all I intend to do is stop bleeding and prevent shock long enough for the trained professional to get there and do what they are paid and trained to do.
Actually though the side trips this thread has taken are interesting, and who knows. Maybe some of the things said here might come in handy one day.
David Blinder
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FPrice, sorry about getting too involved but the problem with range first aid is that it's generally pretty basic stuff like small cuts or bruises or it's at the other end of the spectrum of major trauma. In any event, I highly recommend that everyone take a decent first aid class but if you have the time & inclination, an advanced class like a first responder or EMT-B is even better. It's one of those things I'd rather have and not need than need and not have.
blunder...
"FPrice, sorry about getting too involved..."
Please do not be sorry. I enjoyed the exchange AND hopefully I learned a little from it. I was hoping to get a good exchange going and it looks like I succeeded,
"I highly recommend that everyone take a decent first aid class but if you have the time & inclination, an advanced class like a first responder or EMT-B is even better."
This is very good advice for anyone and everyone. And, it is one of those things which I want to do, but so far have not been able to fit into my life. Soon I hope.
Thanks for your participation.
"FPrice, sorry about getting too involved..."
Please do not be sorry. I enjoyed the exchange AND hopefully I learned a little from it. I was hoping to get a good exchange going and it looks like I succeeded,
"I highly recommend that everyone take a decent first aid class but if you have the time & inclination, an advanced class like a first responder or EMT-B is even better."
This is very good advice for anyone and everyone. And, it is one of those things which I want to do, but so far have not been able to fit into my life. Soon I hope.
Thanks for your participation.
tommygun45
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Ooops
Blunder,
Sorry I had my Hummor option turned off . Great advice about the EMT and/or First responder training. If time and money are an issue (when aren't they? 
) Basic first aid and CPR are a good place to start. Additionally some of the big shooting schools are offering a tactical first aid class.
Blunder,
Sorry I had my Hummor option turned off
. Great advice about the EMT and/or First responder training. If time and money are an issue (when aren't they? ) Basic first aid and CPR are a good place to start. Additionally some of the big shooting schools are offering a tactical first aid class.David Blinder
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KSFreeman,
I have no idea where in Indiana you would go but it's not the Red Cross. Why don't you check with a fire dept or the local hospital? It's a fairly extensive program that takes about 180 hours. The First Responder program is also excellent and it takes about 60 hours and that might be the best choice for someone who doesn't confront major trauma on a daily basis. I know several schools like Gunsite & Insights offer a tactical first aid course and they would be worth looking into as well.
I have no idea where in Indiana you would go but it's not the Red Cross. Why don't you check with a fire dept or the local hospital? It's a fairly extensive program that takes about 180 hours. The First Responder program is also excellent and it takes about 60 hours and that might be the best choice for someone who doesn't confront major trauma on a daily basis. I know several schools like Gunsite & Insights offer a tactical first aid course and they would be worth looking into as well.
blunder, it's O.K. I can leave the state (if my P.O. gives me the thumbs up
). I walk the earf in a quest for knowledge. It's so hard getting a monk's robe to match my cap toes.
I'll call my buddy at WLFD tomorrow (and about the kerlix, or is it curlex?). First responder class, thanks much.
). I walk the earf in a quest for knowledge. It's so hard getting a monk's robe to match my cap toes.I'll call my buddy at WLFD tomorrow (and about the kerlix, or is it curlex?). First responder class, thanks much.
"In any event, a chest tube or needle aspiration is the normal treatment and I doubt if many of us are prepared to perform that in the field. "
Actually it is quite easy and could be taught to anyone in about five minutes. I have done it several times "in the field". Sorry, I realize that this is beyond the scope of what was asked, but I couldn't resist. Please note that trauma, such as gunshot wound, can not be "treated" in the field. Surgical intervention is required (I am talking about serious GSW, such as, to the chest). This brings us to the definition of a Trauma Center. The main thing about a trauma center is that they have the surgical staff available at all times to surgically treat the victims of trauma. Something that may or may not be available in hospitals that are not trauma centers. All one can hope to do is to keep them alive long enough to get them to surgery. With a basic first aid kit all we could hope to do would be to control the external bleeding. While we are doing that, much nastier things are going on inside the body. Even the best equipped and trained paramedic or even a doctor out of the hospital can do little more such as fluid replacement with IV fluids, high flow oxygen, and the above mentioned chest decompression.
It is Kerlix and I would venture a guess that any ambulance in the country uses it on an almost daily basis. http://google.yahoo.com/bin/query?p=Kerlix&hc=0&hs=0
Actually it is quite easy and could be taught to anyone in about five minutes. I have done it several times "in the field". Sorry, I realize that this is beyond the scope of what was asked, but I couldn't resist. Please note that trauma, such as gunshot wound, can not be "treated" in the field. Surgical intervention is required (I am talking about serious GSW, such as, to the chest). This brings us to the definition of a Trauma Center. The main thing about a trauma center is that they have the surgical staff available at all times to surgically treat the victims of trauma. Something that may or may not be available in hospitals that are not trauma centers. All one can hope to do is to keep them alive long enough to get them to surgery. With a basic first aid kit all we could hope to do would be to control the external bleeding. While we are doing that, much nastier things are going on inside the body. Even the best equipped and trained paramedic or even a doctor out of the hospital can do little more such as fluid replacement with IV fluids, high flow oxygen, and the above mentioned chest decompression.
It is Kerlix and I would venture a guess that any ambulance in the country uses it on an almost daily basis. http://google.yahoo.com/bin/query?p=Kerlix&hc=0&hs=0