R51 ever going to happen???

I like classic lines. I liked it when Ford made the Mustang loom like a Mustang again. I like that the R51 retained the lines of the Model 51...but like the man said, there ain't no way I'm going to be the beta tester for a defensive firearm! They'll have to make it work first.
 
The original .380 design was never that good to begin with. I don't understand why Remington chose to resurrect what was originally a semi-turkey.
 
gyvel said:
The original .380 design was never that good to begin with. I don't understand why Remington chose to resurrect what was originally a semi-turkey.
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I'm raising the BS flag on this statement. Have you ever owned one, or are you just repeating what you've heard?
 
I'm raising the BS flag on this statement. Have you ever owned one, or are you just repeating what you've heard?
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Sigh... Yes, I currently own one that had a broken firing pin and was full auto until I replaced the pin, as well as two others in years past (one was a cannibalized incomplete gun, not worth fixing). I have also worked over the years on about a half dozen or so of them, two of which had cracked breech blocks, one with a broken extractor and one with a worn hammer, which wasn't really the gun's fault as the someone had tried to "adjust" the sear notch. Those are the ones that I remember specifically. The others were probably cleanings.

The guns are well made, but the design leaves a lot to be desired in terms of simplicity and sturdiness. It's been pointed out before that Pedersen had to avoid designs that were previously patented by Browning and/or Colt, and the result was, shall we say, clever, but not all that good. In other words, close, but no cigar.

While I realize that 7 or 8 guns aren't a comprehensive cross section, working on them and seeing how they were made and how they function was enough to keep me from carrying one for self defense, in spite of their thinness and excellent grip. I don't shoot the one I have now, either, because parts are drying up.

Now, having said that, I have not seen nor handled an R51, so I can't pass judgment from actual experience. The one that my LGS received went right back before I had a chance to look at it. In this case, yes, my disdain for the R51 is based on the many horror stories I have read, mostly on this forum. My opinion of the original 51 is based on my experiences with them.

As always, YMMV.

If you're satisfied, lower your BS flag, please.
 
There are already way to many quality pistols (S&W Shield, Springfield XDS, Walther PPS, Glock 43 and even a Kel-Tec) that fill the same role as the R51
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That is true, I have a XD's 45 that I love.
But what I like about the R51 is the very low bore axis. It looks to be a natural shooter.
They are onto the right idea if they can make it work. The only others that I know of ( I dont know them all) are basic blow back designs and cant handle +P loads reliably.

My 9mm cc slot is still open if they cant pull it off, a Kel-Tec or a S&W will do.
But I have plenty of Carry guns already so I can wait.

Besides it would take one heck of a gun to unseat my XD's 45 from daily carry duty.
 
The only others that I know of ( I dont know them all) are basic blow back designs and cant handle +P loads reliably.
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Offhand, I cannot think of a single one of the current crop of single-stack 9mm carry pistols that is a basic blow-back design. They are all locked breech and many, if not most, are rated for at least occasional plus P use.
 
Hi-Points are blowback, not sure how concealable they are.

I went to the grand opening of a Cabela's here and Remington had a trailer set up with their wares. They had a couple R51s on display, slide action and trigger were quite smooth. Production models may not feel the same though.
 
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