R.Ph fired for legally carrying

I guess his company doesn't trust him anymore.
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And why would you trust an employee who has disregarded company policy? Given that employment depends on abiding by the rules and an employee demonstrates that s/he is unwilling to abide by the rules to which the employee agreed as a pard of the condition for employment, then they cannot be trusted.

Well I guess the cat is out of the bag about Walgreens. I guess the robbers in Michigan will know that Walgreens has established a system to get them in and out of the store with the money fast!
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Um no. This is no more true than concealed carry within a state lowers crime rates. Thusfar when chains have come out with this information, there have not been rashes of robberies against their employees.

If I were the pharmacist, I would have done exactly what he had done. My job is not worth my life. I can always search out another job while my wife and family have a husband, father, and the ability to maintain the family unit. Isn't this the basis for why we all carry?
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This is a healthy attitude. If you are going to carry and do so against company rules, then hold your chin up high when you get fired, if you get fired, for being true to yourself. Don't pull this whiny crap about crying to a lower about being fired unjustly. If the condition for employment was unjust, then either the guy should have worked to change the policy, which if he is like most other example, is something he never considered doing. The security of keeping his job wasn't important to him until he lost it.
 
Tis a sticky question

When do the actions of the company/entity in question begin to build a case of culpability or liability if an employee is harmed in an event such as a robbery?

You could do an entire law school semester on that topic and still have no clear answer.

So, does the policy create that liability when the reasonable company would be expected to know the risks of its business? E.g. not providing for the safety of pharmacy employees where there is a recognized risk of robbery? Is the answer the enclosed glass box of some banks and gas stations? Hardly the open atmosphere national pharmacies would like. Fort Drug just isn't as welcoming...

If employees can't have immediate means of self defense - then what?

The give-it-away policies seem to hang their argument on the notion of a rational perpetrator - is that a reasonable expectation RE liability?

Is there a "civil right" to expect safety from these situations in the workplace, especially from a national company?

I'd like to hear some thoughts on those since my opinion in this matter is biased.
 
double naught spy, you say there is no increase in robberies of the stores that acknowledge they have a no firearms policy???? really???

Then why have 10 of the last 10 pharmacy robberies in the Spokane, WA area, as reported on the TV new...ALL BEEN WALGREENS??????? (not all the same stores, but all have been Walgreens)
 
One of my family members is a pharmacist. One of his previous employers (a "big box store") had an "instant termination" policy for carrying a firearm on store property. And, the employee handbook threatened legal action, if the firearm was used on company property (even if preventing injury to employees or self). They claimed that store security (actually pretty good, and armed) was more than enough. ....But didn't escort anyone through the pitch black parking lot, to the distant employee parking area, in a bad part of town
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A lot of companies have a "total cooperation" policy when it comes to robberies.
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Still, for the companies to disarm employees and then not provide security is willfully disregarding the well being of those who work for you.
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Walgreens does in fact have a no firearms policy in store or in parking lot. Immediate termination is clearly stated.
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What is being totally ignored is the personality of the Corporation. Corporations have all the behaviors of human psychopaths. A Corporation exists solely to maximize profit. Profit now, Not profit later. Corporations view their employees (the world in fact) as disposable in the attainment of their goals, don’t have a conscience, are great manipulators. They will lie to your face without shame. You can only have a master/slave relationship with a psychopath, they consider compromise a weakness.
http://www.amazon.com/Corporation-Pathological-Pursuit-Profit-Power/dp/0743247442

So, lets say you the employee pull a gun and shoot a Goblin. Right or wrong there is the potential for a lawsuit. You are an agent for the Corporation and now the Corporation is liable. Lawsuits cost money, and since all Goblins have grieving relatives, any settlement will be big. Payouts decrease profits.

So the Corporation teaches you to be passive, non resisting, will fire your butt if you do anything to hurt a Goblin, even if your survival is at stake. All you have to do is Google this and you will find plenty of times where employees saved their lives through deadly force and were fired.

Why? Because it is the low cost solution. If a Goblin kills you, it is a law enforcement issue. The Corporation does not owe any one anything. They don’t even owe your family burial costs. They will send the Janitors in, clean off the blood and filth, and go back to making profits.

Because that is what they do and that is what they are. It is immoral, but hey, they are psychopaths, what else did you expect?
 
I think that if a corporation has rules that specificaly benefits an assailants crime against another person, the corporation should be held as an accessory. Its the same as an accomplice tying your hands imo.
 
double naught spy, you say there is no increase in robberies of the stores that acknowledge they have a no firearms policy???? really???

Then why have 10 of the last 10 pharmacy robberies in the Spokane, WA area, as reported on the TV new...ALL BEEN WALGREENS??????? (not all the same stores, but all have been Walgreens)
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You are going to have to show me your data and dates because I can't find anything to support your claim online.

You have 10 since
May 24, 2011 when Rite Aid was robbed? http://www.kndu.com/story/10749538/another-pharmacy-robbery-attempt-on-spokanes-south-hill
Nov 29, 2010 when Rite Aid was robbed? http://www.spokesman.com/video/2010/nov/30/rite-aid-robbery/
Aug 31, 2010 when the Fifth and Browne Pharmacy was robbed? http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2010/aug/31/scruffy-man-robs-pharmay-oxycontin/
Aug 3, 2010 when the Rite Aid was robbed? http://www.krem.com/news/29th-rite-aid-robbery-99913574.html
July 9, 2010 when the Alberson's pharmacy was robbed?
http://www.krem.com/news/crime/Phar...uspect-gets-away-with-Oxycontin-98125464.html

I just listed a few of your pharmacy robberies in Spokane only, but it sounds to me like y'all have a fairly significant problem and it isn't just with Walgreens. On top of that, Walgreens policy isn't new. How do you account for the other pharmacies being robbed if Walgreens is such an easy mark?

Yes, the guy involved in the May 2 robbery actually robbed 2 Walgreens and he also carjacked a guy.

So, show me your data. Show me the 10 Walgreens robbed with some links to verify.
 
Here is my take...

I think that the stores have done their homework. And, their conclusion is that it would cost them much more, if someone sued them for being injured or worse by an employee's actions, than it would cost to quiet a grieving spouse. Besides, it's common knowledge that stores like WM take out individual life insurance policies on their employees. Probably for reasons such as that.
It's all about the bottom line.
 
Both our Major Food Stores here now welcome customers to CCW. Gotta love Grocery shopping. Bring on the Big Guns. No robberies at our Grocers.
 
''it's common knowledge that.....take out life insurance on their employees...''???

That sounds like an urban legand. Any evidence to support this? Having owned and managed a company with 500 employees I can tell you it's impossible to take out life insurance on employees without their permission. So there ought to be plenty of former employees willing to back up this claim.
 
I can tell you it's impossible to take out life insurance on employees without their permission
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I didn't say it was without permission. I signed some forms when I was hired. One was for personal insurance and another separate form showed the company as the beneficiary. I'm sure most sign without reading, but it is a fact.
I don't have a copy of the form, but I'm sure others could corroborate my claim.
 
I just wanted to take exception to the title of this post. He was on private property and if the business owner prohibited guns then he was trespassing, which is both a civil and criminal violation. Whether or not you agree with the owner's decision, you can't legitimately challenge his right to make it.
 
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He was on private property and if the business owner prohibited guns then he was trespassing, which is both a civil and criminal violation.
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Perhaps in Nevada but certainly not in Utah. Laws vary from state to state.
 
He was on private property and if the business owner prohibited guns then he was trespassing
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I believe that the prohibition was only towards employees. In Florida it is perfectly legal to enter a Walgreens while armed, when holding a valid CWP.
 
BTW: Rite Aid is the same as Walgreen in their employee cc policy.

Also, I don't watch the news every night, and yes, it appears that there are other pharmicies being robbed too, openly all no firearms allowed ones..

There are lot of oxycodon thefts in the Spokane area..I live about 150 miles NW of there...but Spokane is where our "local" Direct TV news comes out of.
 
BTW: Rite Aid is the same as Walgreen in their employee cc policy.

Also, I don't watch the news every night, and yes, it appears that there are other pharmicies being robbed too, openly all no firearms allowed ones..
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So you made a bogus claim with made up data to prove a point and got caught. Your claim was not substantiated and your credibility has suffered. Can you provide any data to show a difference between chains that all employees to carry versus those that don't in regard to pharmacy robberies? I can't even find where Walgreens robberies are necessarily going up because of their policy.

Rite Aid has the same policy? Their robberies aren't necessarily going up. What of all the other pharmacies?

Come on, places get robbed regardless of the policy. It happens at convenience stores all the time. It happens at banks with armed guards. Hell, even gun stores get robbed...at gun point.

There are lot of oxycodon thefts in the Spokane area.
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You mean at pharmacies? We aren't talking thefts, but robberies, many of which seem dedicated on procuring oxycontin, where the bad guys threaten or engage in violence to procure the drug.
 
Here in Texas, the local Walgreens is NOT posted with a 30.06 sign, which means the public can come in armed if they are a legal CHL holder. But the employees can't? Hmmm.
 
@grayrock - I would assume this is because the store or company could just wash their hands of any involvement if there was an incident by a non-employee. Now if an employee is involved then their could be a lawsuit claiming that the employee was acting on behalf of the company.

I don't agree with it but that's what it sounds like to me.
 
Google is your friend :

http://deadpeasantinsurance.com/whic...-of-employees/

They may tell the employees about their insurance policy program, or just pass it by them in a stack of employment forms without telling them that they are signing an insurance policy with the employer named as the beneficiary.

walgreens is listed ..
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Ha, ha, ha. Dead peasant policies! Corporations making a profit if you are killed during work hours.

If you are salaried and die at home due to work stress, do they still get a payout?

I wonder if they will start issuing uniforms to staff with little bullseyes over the parts of the body that provide a quick kill? Sort of “shoot here” shirts?.

Has anyone ever been turned down for employment if they did not sign the Dead Peasants Policy?.
 
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