Question on Soviet Military Sidearm?

Just to pee in muddy water, there is also a Russian pistol-caliber 5.45mm round(I think is 18mm long). It is necked down from a larger bore (perhaps 9mmMak?)I don't think they are available in the U.S.
I was told (by a Russian) that the 5.45 mm rifle round first saw real use in Afghanistan. It makes a mess when fired at someone in the open but because the way it is designed doesn't penetrate cover very well.

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Those who use arms well cultivate the Way and keep the rules.Thus they can govern in such a way as to prevail over the corrupt- Sun Tzu, The Art of War
 
Will,

The Ultra project actually predates the war, to about 1936. The origial concept apparently came from the Luftwaffe, which wanted the most powerful pistol round that could be put into a Walther PP-sized, blowback operated gun.

With the advent of war the project was put on hold to concentrate on existing design production.

After the war the Soviets apparently found the materials at the Walther factory in what became East Germany, and that started the design work on the 9mm Makarov round.

The Mak and the Ultra round are different in that the Ultra round uses a .355 bullet, the same as with the 9mm Luger, and a slightly tapered case.

The Mak round uses a straight-walled case (apparently in an effort to coax the very last amount of power possible from the round) and a bullet of approx. .363 caliber.

Telecote,

The Makarov pistol bears the same relation to the Walther PP that the Tula-Tokarev 30/33 pistol has to John Browning's 1911 design. It is NOT an original design, it is a modified design of an existing product.

In both cases, the Soviets started with an established design and modified it to make the design somewhat simpler to meet their manufacturing criteria.



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Beware the man with the S&W .357 Mag.
Chances are he knows how to use it.
 
WillBeararms, I think Mr. Kalishnikov would probably not agree with you on his design. He had design experience before the war. During the war, he had designed a semiauto which barely lost out to another design, but attracted Stalin's attention enough to get him pulled out of the front to refine his designs. Eugene Stoner considered him to be a giant in the field. While the concept of the assault rifle may have been german, the soviets were quick to catch on to the it, probably because of the effectiveness of the concept against them. Tales of the Gun on the history channel did an excellent expose on the man and the rifle. He is still revered in Russia today. While no fan of the commies, I believe the man is entitled to his due.
 
When i Bought my Beretta 92FS i was told that there was something about the design of the gun that was similar to a Walther gun the Nazi's used? I think it was the P-38? What is it about the Krauts that everyone copied or borrowed from?

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What is it about John Moses Browning that everyone, including the Krauts, did the same?

Maybe it is the militarism of Germany and their preparation for war that inspired such good designs. You don't overun Europe twice with bad weapons. I further guess that unsuccessful designers wereput against a wall, thus leaving only good ones in their place.
 
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