Question for the LEO's

Jim Keenan..

Old wives tale, or urban legend. Absoloutly not true. The NYPD for the last 50 years (my families legacy time) has never been issued orders to kill anyone. For any reason. Most permits were issued for revolvers simply because Revolvers were popular at the time. Just as Autoloaders are today. During the many years NYPD officers carried revolvers, the department did issue semi automatic pistols to officers on particular details.

In addition the city is a pretty big place and hosts many different law enforcement, and police agencies including several NYC departments, a few State agencies, and a BUNCH of federal agencies. Not to mention no shortage of armed securoty, and private police. Though many authorizing NYPD style firearms, and equipment. Many of them having their own firearms policy.

Again the NYPD never issued orders to kill anyone. There was NEVER any department policy to disregard the law, common sense, safety, or personal standards based on the kind of weapon a person may have been armed with.

Glenn D.
 
I think it depends on the area you are in. In some places LEOs tend to be jumpy (Calif), in other areas they tend to be bored (Idaho), both of which could mean trouble for CCW. Of course, I've never heard of anyone getting a CCW in Calif. anways.
 
I'm trying in my own rambling way to rebut one statement implying LEO's must automatically follow the rules of the game.
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aarondhgraham -

I don't think I was implying that LEOs will follow the rules because, and your case is the perfect example, they do not always do so. LEOs also allow their opinions to effect how they do their jobs in some cases. I'm not being critical here because we can all be accused of the same thing.

Taking my point a bit further, my wife works with a bunch of LEO. Some of them told her that, in summary "It's a bad idea for your husband to carry. He's not trained to use a firearm and someone will likely take it away from him and shoot him with it."

Others told her "It's a great idea" and encourage her to get her CCW permit.

My point is that they all have their own views on the matter and I'm sure those views can effect how they apply the law as they understand it.

A further example from my CCW class. A gentleman was stopped for speeding and, as required by Kentucky law, notified the officer that he was carrying a concealed weapon. He was promptly held at gun point until back up showed up. A few minutes later he acceppted the apology and was sent off.

With all that being said, my original point was the law is the law. Granted you can certainly be harrassed for carrying if you encounter the wrong LEO, but, so long as you are following all laws, I refuse to allow someone's opinion of the law to interfere with my rights to CCW.
 
I really dislike the use of the term civilian in this thread.
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I agree, most LEO's that I know on a personal level, use the term "civilian" derogatorily when talking amongst themselves, even in front of me!
 
I mean no disrespect, nor do I use the term in a derogatory manner. Why would anyone have a problem being called a civilian? I'm using it is a term to differentiate(sp) People who are not police. Sorry if I offended anyone... I'm not the warm touchy feely political correct type of a guy. But... If your not police... your civilians... The military consider the police civilians. I'm not currently in the military... so that makes me a civilian... Whats the big deal..
 
They do not make law but they have a lot of discretion as to how they implement or enforce existing law, even if it has no relevance to the situation at hand.
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that is very true ARRONDHGRAHAM. also, sometimes LEO's are wrong and don't know they're wrong. Its neither here nor there, as I'm not going to argue with him. The fact remains that it can cause issues. I received a ticket last yr where the guy was very cool. He cut me a break and gave me a 'different kind of ticket' because that would have no points added to my license. Turned out the ticket was 3 demerit points just like speeding?! same encounter with family- as we talked my CCW came into the light(discussion). no biggee but he disarmed it while doing the ticket. I was informed that it was illegal for me not to inform him of my CCW. he quoted some code and gave me a verbal warning for that. I have done this on another thread, so I am pretty sure the young LEO was incorrect. Bottom line- I had written down every state I was 'required to inform officer' and which states I didn't before our long trip(one of my sources was www.handgunlaw.us). I had another thread on TFL on this encounter, and I am confident I didn't have to inform him as I was instructed otherwise(the thread was about whether maybe certain counties or cities, or state police had different laws///short answer: they don't). I literally am considering just always informing now to avoid any issues and out of respect. I am also confident this officer was actually definately Trying to be a nice guy and thought I wasn't getting any demerit points added to my license. the conversation in the car with my wife was, "Should I doublecheck or mail the check?" anyways I was told to just mail the check and have some trust. oh well, it all worked out. Lol
 
I've been full-time LE for 21 years now. CCW folks don't bother me at all. I'm all for it, and I don't care how many guns you're legally carrying. It's called the 2nd Amendment, and what kind of cop would I be if that bothered me? I have enough sense to know that a citizen that has gone through the hassle and red tape to get that CCW license is almost guaranteed to pose no threat to me. I know of several cases where armed citizens have saved LE lives. I DO worry about the punk with the long rap sheet and the stolen Hi Point .380 tucked in his waistband.
 
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I had an officer pull me over for a dead tail-light,,,
Everything was hunky-dory until I informed him I had a Model 36 in my pocket,,,
Next thing I am outside the car with my hands cuffed behind my back while he searched me and my car.

The reason I had to be cuffed was "For my own safety",,,
I didn't have to allow the search to my car but I was informed that I would be arrested for obstruction if I made him get a warrant.

The Payne County Sheriff got a very calm but succinct letter complaining about the encounter,,,
I received a boiler-plate response about Officer Safety taking priority in all traffic stops,,,
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I have never filed a lawsuit in my nearly 55 years on this planet, and in general, I have no use for "lie-ers"...oops, I meant law-yers.

But if this happened to me, I might have to re-consider my position.
 
Cameras are a cops best friend. Putting cameras in police cruisers has been invaluable in getting meritless police brutality and 1983 lawsuits(violation of civil rights) dismissed. Conversely, it has also outed some bad cops, which is good for everybody - police included.

I doubt if any leos that oppose concealed carry will voice their view on this forum. The reasons for a leo to oppose concealed carry would strike me as highly suspect. And hopefully they are a small minority anyway.
 
^^ This. Camera's are a great tool and a great way to avoid complaints.

I am all for people owning and carrying firearms. My only issues is 1) know how to use it. I have seen some scary people that carried everyday and had no clue what they were doing. I love the for sale threads "owned it since 1998, never shot". 2) I have never been a fan of open carry.
 
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