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Rainbow Six

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Ok, I'm 30 years old and outta shape as heck. I've started a walking routine and last week I bought a TREK 6000 mountain bike and started a riding program, riding three days a week. Keep in mind, before last week I hadn't rode a bike since before I was old enough to drive a car.

Here's my question. How long does it take before one can ride one mile or more and still be able to breath and feel their legs afterwards?!? :(

BTW, I like my bike and I enjoy riding but the seat is akin to sitting on a razor blade. I know they make wider, softer seats but which brands and styles would some of you experienced riders recommend? Anyone have a good "gel" type seat that they would recommend?

The guy at the bike shop says that most new riders go through several saddles before settling on one they like. The thing is, I'd like to avoid spending $15-$20 a pop to experiment. Any advice?

Thanky, :D

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The Glock freak formerly known as Chris...
 
Six: I use a "fanny pack" when I'm out running or on one of my very infrequent casual bike rides. Even tho many dismiss the "fanny pack" as too glaringly obvious as a concealment device, I figure I'm out in constant motion, not in a store or bar or otherwise "socializing" so it's not a real concern. I also think that being armed at all times far outweighs......oh, wait a minute here. You're asking about "bike seats"...? I musta clinked onto the wrong site...could've sworn this was TFL...oh and also just FYI, I've heard that the pressure caused by excessive bike riding has a serious negative impact on nerves related to very important "manly functions"...have fun and stay safe.
 
I was on a riding routine for quite a while and I never got over the feeling that I had been kicked in the rear by a horse. I think if you weigh more than 15 pounds then you are gonna be uncomfortable on that little seat.

I bought a gel seat form Wal-Mart and it made a big difference and was a real help. I'm sure there are better ones out there.

[This message has been edited by HukeOKC (edited June 21, 2000).]
 
those skinny little seats have also been shown to contribute to shooting blanks if you catch my drift.

If you're tired after the first mile, it could be just as simple as being in the wrong gear. Being too low (having to push too much, also known as "spinning") or too high (too hard, also known as "mashing") will greatly affect how you feel.

I'd suggest getting one of those little speedometers that gives you MPH, avg. MPH, and odometer so you can see how fast you're really going. I found this helped me find the right gears to be in.

You also might find standing up off the seat every once in awhile helps... keep the legs stretched out, and don't hunch your back over too much.
 
Gentlemen, I would like to know what sort of tight-assed fien invented that damn razor blade seat...the man is a sadist. Don't really matter anymore, haven't got on a bike in 10 years.

Rainbow Six, I remember going to a bike shop and buying a normal bike seat for big assed people...you'll know it when you see it. Good luck.

Jim
 
If you want to get in shape you bought the wrong bike you need a road bike. It sounds like the guy at the shop knows what he is talking about. those tractor tires just slow you down I do you a fanny pack to carry on my bike not much concelment in lyrca. The only time you sit on your pelvic bones is a bike and a horse. It is like any excerise program you have to build to it. Try some club rides. They know what they are talking about. try www.velonews.com and www.lancearmstrong.com and check out the links from both. The seats do not cause you to shoot blanks. Its just a myth to sell those stupid split saddles. The pros ride 7 hours a day and have kids. I have about 5 years in shops and have been riding since I was ten I am 29 now. feel free to email with any questions .gell saddles will chaff you you do not want somthing thick between your thighs when they have to move up and down. ASlso buy a pair of good shorts It will make your kife better.
 
Those seats are designed for olympic caliber racers that have no built in fat in the the butt. A muscular unpadded butt rides quite nicely on the lightest narrow seat.

Mere mortals need to get past the hype of having a fashionable seat and buy an Avocet tourist gel seat

Walmart does not sell bicyle accessories
They sell faux bicyle accessories

Support your local bike shop!

PS... be glad you are not breaking in an english leather seat

-doc Zox
 
After maybe a month you should feel a bit better. Most of the discomfort you feel is from not having your sit muscles used to being on a bike saddle, something that only comes with time. In the meantime I recommend getting some good quality cycling shorts and see how it goes for the next few weeks. Also, ask the guys at the bike shop if your saddle is too high/low.

I have to disagree with you guys about the impotence/cycling connection. There was only one doctor who claimed this, and later recanted his study, but of course that part isn't news to the media types. Most doctors think that the benefits gained by the exercise far outweighs any chance of mashing those arteries in your butt. In a former life I was a Pro/Am racer (riding for 14 years) and can say that of all the riders I know I have yet to hear of anyone who actually has had a problem. Certainly mine still works great! :D I did see a couple of people on TV that had permanent damage, but it was always someone who had their seat too high/low, set off on their first 200 mile ride (what we call a double century), and did not stop or change position in response to severe pain/numbness, which was a result of their bikes being set up improperly. So it can happen if you are negligent, but listen to your body and get someone from a bike shop to help you with your bike if you need to.

Rainbow Six: Please feel free to email me if you have any more questions. Don't feel bad about being out of shape. I just started again on the bike after a 1 year layoff. After 30mins I can't decide which hurts the most; my hands, feet or butt, and I used to do 400+mile weeks before!

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It comes from an indomitable will. -- Mahatma Gandhi
 
Mountain bikes are great, I need to get another one (my last one was stolen :mad: )
The next one will definately have front suspension, those single track trails are wrist killers. Go with a good gel seat, there are some great ones out there.
It wont take long to breath through a 10 miler if you stay with it, of course terrain will have a lot to do with it. The thing with mountain bikes is you can take 'em damn near anywhere, and see some truly great scenery (besides roads and sidewalks). Eat right.

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For the first couple of rides my butt hurts, however (no "but"), if I keep it up the pain subsides. You might try a saddle with a "taint" channel.

Mountain bikes give a better workout in a shorter ride. If you want to ride long distances and don't mind riding with car driving idiots, ride a road bike.
 
Ditto the road bike. Cross bikes are ok for less then 15 miles. Mountain bikes are horrid for roads/paths. To get fit buy a heart monator & read up on interval training -5X week-for 45 min. Add some weight lifting & you will be amazed at how the lbs convert.
 
I did the same thing as you - bought a bike after not having ridden one in 15 or so years. The first ride was 4 miles with one little bitty hill. I had to stop twice to recoup and my legs were wobbly when I got back. This was a while ago, but it seems like after 3 weeks or so I bumped it up to 8 miles. No stopping, no wobbly legs. then after another couple of weeks 10 miles. Then 15, then 20. This was mostly flat with little hills. After a 2 or 3 months at 20 miles I joined a bike club and went on a 30 mile road ride with a bunch of pretty steep hills. Much to my suprise it was no problem.

Stick with it and do it several days a week. Once the initial soreness sarts to fade and you find yourself doing the ride with minimal problems bump it a couple of miles.

Buy good bike shorts. Yes you'll look stupid, but they're such an improvement over normal shorts you won't care how you look.

The best seat I've ever used was an Avocet touring. Unfortunately they don't make it anymore. i have no idea how their gel touring seat would be. When I'm in shape I like the leather Avocet racing saddle. If you keep at it you will get used to the seats, but not all seats fit everybody, so even when you get used to it, you may still need to try 3 or 4 seat to optimize it for your, um, particular body parts.

If you are riding on pavement or groomed, smooth rails to trails type, then you don't need a mountain bike. But, that doesn't mean you need to run out and buy a road bike. Get some 1.25 to 1.5 slicks and stick on there. You will be amazed at the reduction in rolling resistance. I like Avocet slicks the best, intensely dislike Ritchey slicks and like Tioga City Slickers for cheap tires, Note that the Tiogas will have side wall failures berore the tread wears out. The only reason I recommend them is because they are cheap and widely available - you can use them until you decide if you want to spring for something better (hint - Avocets).

Good luck and welcome to cycling.

Phil

Anything with 2 wheels is cool :)
 
Ah, biking...the only thing I'm into even more than shooting.
Normally, I would tell you to buy some padded biking shorts and give the saddle a few more weeks before throwing it away. However, I used to own a Trek 6000, and I feel your pain. The 6000 is an outstanding bike (I sold mine to buy a more race-friendly MTB), but the saddle is pure murder. There are many comfortable saddles out there, but the problem is many of them cost upwards of $100. The one I bought for my 6000 was the specialized body geometry saddle, which is not terribly expensive. It looks weird (with the middle cut out of it) but it is a lifesaver. Very comfortable, and supposed to protect your manhood. Definitely reccomend it.
The 6000 is fine for riding on pavement. However, if you're going to be riding almost exclusively on pavement, I suggest the following:
Get some slick or semi-slick tires. Good ones can be had for $20 or so. The bontrager jones tires on the 6000 are some of the best made for off-road use, but because they are very knobby, aren't great for road riding. If you may ride some offroad, get something like the WTB nanoraptor tires which are a good hybrid and ride very well on and off road (I use them). With more road-friendly tires you will notice a huge difference immediately.

Read the manual for your suspension fork and learn how to adjust the preload. For road riding, back off of the preload all the way so that the fork doesn't compress much at all. The more plush your fork is, the more energy will be wasted by pedaling because it will bob up and down. for road riding, you don't need much suspension so you'll want it as rigid as possible.

Adjust your saddle to the proper height. when on the saddle, your legs should be almost, but not quite, fully extended at the bottom of each pedal stroke. this allows you to generate more energy when pedaling than if your knees were bent...imagine trying to walk with your knees bent. this may require you to raise the seatpost higher than it looks like it should be, but that is how a mountain bike is supposed to be.

you will increase your mileage greatly within a few weeks if you ride several times a week. practice shifting so that your feet move at a steady rpm...not too slow and not too fast. as you get better, you will begin using lower gears. you've got a great bike there and it should work well for a long time. Mountain bike is definitely the way to go over a road bike...think about it. when the SHTF, you can ride it up into the hills and take cover. try that on a road bike...
 
Thanks for all the replies! It's comforting to know that it is normal to end one's first few rides feeling split in half and wobble knee'd. :)

I bought a mountain bike instead of a road bike because I have access to about 60 acres of pasture and woods that I can ride on without having to deal with or worry about traffic. I intend to make a riding trail and use it for most of my riding when I am able handle pulling the hills a little better. I just can't trust traffic on the roads around the house.

For now, I ride a .5 mile section of road in front of my house and just make a "lap" around this section. If I go much further than I go in either direction there isn't much shoulder to hit when the cars don't yield.

FWIW, I have been walking 2.5 - 3 miles a day, six days a week and riding only three times a week. Maybe I would be better off to ride every day and walk three times a week? The bike seems to give me a much better leg and CV workout and it's much easier on the feet. Not so much shock to the joints.

As for the seat, I got a "relief saddle" (Mongoose?) in place of the stock seat when I bought the bike. The guy at the bike shop was great and installed three different seats so that I could ride the bike around and try them out before I bought them. I picked the one that felt the best out of the ones I tried. Now I wish I had went to a machine shop and had a bike seat post welded to a John Deere lawn mower seat. :D

I know that the seat is a little low right now. The guy at the bike shop said it was better to start off with it a little low and work it up as I got better at riding. Is this true? He seemed very knowledgeable and was highly recommended by other riders. I took him at his word on starting off with the seat low. Maybe I should raise it a little now.

Lycra? Heh heh... Ummmmmm, maybe after I lose a few more pounds. :o :D I wouldn't mind looking stupid. It's looking scary that really bothers me. Some people would never fully recover from seeing me in lycra bike shorts!! :D

Thanks again for all the help!! I can't wait till I can actually ride the bike for some distance. Riding is really fun, I just can't hold out very long yet. :)



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Good on you for riding, Rainbow. The bicycle is the king of land transportation, in my humble opinion.

You've received some good advice from others, I think. I'll just add a few things.

(1) I'm with Chewbacca on the Specialized Body Geometry. Yes, it's one of those "stupid" split saddles, as someone called them. But it's by far the most comfortable thing I've ever ridden. I didn't have trouble with numbness in the nether regions before, but the saddle is supposed to be very good in preventing this problem which can arise on other saddles.

I'd recommend it, but of course there are other comfortable saddles. Unfortunately, experimentation isn't cheap. I had to try a few before settling on the Specialized. (see specialized.com to have a look at the saddle, or check out your LBS).

One thing I _don't_ recommend is a wider, gel saddle a la Walmart. They're only more comfortable initially. As you get into shape, or take longer rides, they become uncomfortable. You'll get pains as all that gel pushes into you. And give it some time, too. It takes a while for your body to adjust to a bike saddle. But when it does, you'll be more comfortable.

(2) You're just getting into shape, be patient! When it comes to your riding, don't worry about your speed for the time being. Concentrate on your pedaling. You should ride in a gear so that you can spin your pedals between 60-90 RPM without getting out of breath. That may seem too low a gear for you at first. But this cadence, as it's called, is the most efficient. You can ride all day pedalling this way where you'd get very tired much more quickly going the same speed in a higher gear.

Sooner than you might think you'll be able to go 70, 80, or 100 miles or more in a day's ride. You won't be exhausted afterward, and you'll be able to do this for days in a row.

But the key is not to push it at first. Let your body get used to the exertion gradually, and just to sitting on the bike and spinning the pedals. Again, you shouldn't get out of breath. If you do, slow down and spin easily. Don't worry about creeping along. You're getting into shape all the while.


(3) There's a book I recommend, _Effective Cycling_ by John Forester. It provides good advice and tactics for riding in traffic, which you will inevitably have to do if you ride outside your front yard.

This is a crucial, and much neglected, aspect to cycling. The rule in general is this: cyclists are both safest and most efficient when they ride their bikes as the drivers of vehicles.

This means: obey the traffic laws! A lot of riders don't, but you should. That means, ride with traffic, not against it. Stop at lights, signs. Signal. This is good because it makes you predictable to other drivers, and makes it more likely that they'll cooperate with you when you need it. For example, you may have to change lanes to turn, take a lane, etc. They'll do this much more pleasantly if they see you obeying the laws and riding responsibly than if you're all over the place.

Stay as far to the right as practicable, _unless the lane is too narrow to share_. In that case, move over at least a third of the way to the left, about where a passenger sits in a car. Anyone who wants to pass you must go around, not try to squeeze by you in a narrow lane. This is not only the safe way to ride (way too many cyclists hug the curb too much for their safety) but it's the legally appropriate way to ride as well. Bicycles are either vehicles in your state or have all of the rights/responsibilities of vehicles. This includes a right to the lane if it can't be shared!

Don't ride on the sidewalk, either. Dangerous, probably illegal in your state, and a pain in the ass to pedestrians and drivers who aren't looking for you.

(4) I use a fanny pack for carry when I ride. I highly recommend it. Whatever people say about these things with jeans and a T-shirt at the mall, no one questions, or even notices, a cyclist with a fanny pack. If you get knocked off the bike there it is with you. And it's inside the bag, so your sweat doesn't bother the gun.

You can't really keep the thing in front, so I move it above my right hip, or onto my kidney. Slows access, yes, but it's the best solution still on a bike I think.

(5) I like mountain bikes because they're more flexible. You can ride in various conditions with no trouble. I'm with others on your tires, though. Buy some 26" road tires. The bike shop will know what you're talking about. Avocet makes some good 26" x 1.25" tires which will speed you up a lot on the road. Specialized has some tires in that size too, Fatboys they're called, and in 1.5", called Nimbus.

I actually have two sets of wheels, one with road and one with off-road tires. I ride on both surfaces a lot and it's easier just to change out the wheels with the quick release than to change the tires. That's an investment, though.

Enjoy.
 
Well, the "S" store shows no less than eight different BG seats. Which one? I like the looks of the BG Comfort. Looks like about the size/shape I think I'd like.

Thanks again for the tips. I like a good read so I'll see about getting the book you mentioned. I am also considering getting road or combo tires. Once I get into riding shape I may end up riding on the road more than I suspect I will. Something to consider.



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Rainbow,

If you put the miles on the bike, that saddle will work fine. Saddle sore comes from not riding. Every spring all us die hard's get the same feeling after not riding for a number of weeks. Saddles also need a break-in period, usually a year. As you ride more and more miles, you will find yourself wanting a more firm seat.

Having strong lungs is like guns, you never have enough and the one with the most wins. It comes with miles, everything comes with miles.

Fun sport, goes great with shooting and hunting.

BTW You are not a real rider till you shave your legs.

Robert
 
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BTW You are not a real rider till you shave your legs.
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So is the opposite of your post in Handguns "God this feels good"? "God my crotch, legs, and lungs hurt!" Just stop in a bicycle store and get a good wide gel padded seat. No reason you shouldn't be happy the first time - just pick the one you like that wide and soft enough to be comfortable. Then, after 2 or more "sessions", your crotch won't hurt a bit. As for your shape and legs, that'll take 10-20 sessions, but it'll come around too. Just be patient. Don't overdo it, but if you feel good, push it a little to increase your endurance. It may take 6 months or more to significantly increase your endurance.
 
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