alaskabushman
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Often a defensive situation does not require ANY rounds fired, sometimes the mere sight of a firearm is a deterrent. Of course, we do not depend on this, which it why we carry ammo in our weapons...
Question about Speedloaders for revolvers
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"I abhor averages. I like the individual case. A man may have six meals one day and none the next, making an average of three meals per day, but that is not a good way to live." -Louis D. Brandeis
Nick_C_S wrote:
Yet the chance remains. I carry a snubby revolver. But I also carry speed strip.
Nick_C_S wrote:
Yet the chance remains. I carry a snubby revolver. But I also carry speed strip.
Speed strips...
I've packed a few DA & DA only revolvers(5-6 round) both on uniformed security & concealed. I'm left handed & lean towards the great Bianchi Intl Speed Strips & the newer bright orange 5 round Quik Strips; www.tuffproducts.com .
I've picked the tip to conceal 2 .38/.357 size strips in a handy Altoids candy mint case.
As noted, practice is a great idea. My friend just got his first DA only snub; a new Ruger LCR .38spl with a Lasermax Crossfire red laser.
I advised him to buy some A-Zoom training rounds & some Quik-Strips.
It's not as fast or practical as a semi-auto(5-6 rounds with 2 strips/18 rounds vs 18-34 rounds of .40 or 9x19mm in a pistol).
I've packed a few DA & DA only revolvers(5-6 round) both on uniformed security & concealed. I'm left handed & lean towards the great Bianchi Intl Speed Strips & the newer bright orange 5 round Quik Strips; www.tuffproducts.com .
I've picked the tip to conceal 2 .38/.357 size strips in a handy Altoids candy mint case.
As noted, practice is a great idea. My friend just got his first DA only snub; a new Ruger LCR .38spl with a Lasermax Crossfire red laser.
I advised him to buy some A-Zoom training rounds & some Quik-Strips.
It's not as fast or practical as a semi-auto(5-6 rounds with 2 strips/18 rounds vs 18-34 rounds of .40 or 9x19mm in a pistol).
Not that any of this "home defense weapon" affects me but I think if it did then I would prefer a 6 or 8 shot short barrel non-choked 12g pump gun with a verity of different shells in the mag, just to be sure.
Dunno if this would be a viable option to use, but that's what I'd be inclined do.
Cheers
G
Dunno if this would be a viable option to use, but that's what I'd be inclined do.
Cheers
G
All these people saying 5 rounds will be enough are lying to themselves. Read up on recent crime trends; the pattern is multiple people breaking into your house together. Gone are the days of one guy doing this stuff alone. They COULD be enough, but I suspect all these "1.8 shots is the average fired" are based on a very large period of time that would not account for recent crime trends. Pay attention to your news and what happens in your area, that will be more valuable information than outdated crime statistics.
In a concealed carry situation, you don't know what you will get. But I would certainly want to be prepared to defend against more than one guy. Even against the one, people have taken way more than 5 rounds to the chest and kept doing evil things.
So I agree with the OP's desire to have more ammo on hand, and think trying to dissuade him from that is a disservice.
Honestly, the revolver does not shine as a primary concealed carry weapon and/or a primary home defense weapon. Sorry if I ruffle any feathers with that, but technology has eclipsed the revolver's 5-8 shot, slow to reload, design. The world has changed as well. When revolvers were the norm, crime was different. So the argument that they've been working for 100 years, while not totally invalid, is also over simplifying the issue.
I love revolvers, and they have their place even today. But as a primary defensive tool against humans, there are better choices.
That said, here is what I would do in this situation, in order of preference:
1) Get a long arm for HD, and some kind of autoloader for CC. Without knowing what the specific objections to autoloaders are, I can't comment further, but there are a LOT of choices out there. So whether the concern is reliability, size, slide is too hard to rack, etc, there is a gun out there for you.
2) Get more revolvers; the NY reload is the fastest way, and has a host of other benefits too (backup gun if you get disarmed, ability to arm companions in a concealed carry scenario, more reliable than trying to reload under stress, etc).
3) Moon clips!!! Moon clips are awesome. They allow you to reload a revolver just about the same speed as an autoloader, especially with practice. Nothing is going to change the fact that carrying revolver reloads is uncomfortable; its a circular design. But moon clips are the way to go IMO.
4) Speed loaders (faster, harder to carry)
5) Speed strips (slower, easier to carry)
6) Loose rounds (worst of both worlds)
7) Knife
8) Strong language
In a concealed carry situation, you don't know what you will get. But I would certainly want to be prepared to defend against more than one guy. Even against the one, people have taken way more than 5 rounds to the chest and kept doing evil things.
So I agree with the OP's desire to have more ammo on hand, and think trying to dissuade him from that is a disservice.
Honestly, the revolver does not shine as a primary concealed carry weapon and/or a primary home defense weapon. Sorry if I ruffle any feathers with that, but technology has eclipsed the revolver's 5-8 shot, slow to reload, design. The world has changed as well. When revolvers were the norm, crime was different. So the argument that they've been working for 100 years, while not totally invalid, is also over simplifying the issue.
I love revolvers, and they have their place even today. But as a primary defensive tool against humans, there are better choices.
That said, here is what I would do in this situation, in order of preference:
1) Get a long arm for HD, and some kind of autoloader for CC. Without knowing what the specific objections to autoloaders are, I can't comment further, but there are a LOT of choices out there. So whether the concern is reliability, size, slide is too hard to rack, etc, there is a gun out there for you.
2) Get more revolvers; the NY reload is the fastest way, and has a host of other benefits too (backup gun if you get disarmed, ability to arm companions in a concealed carry scenario, more reliable than trying to reload under stress, etc).
3) Moon clips!!! Moon clips are awesome. They allow you to reload a revolver just about the same speed as an autoloader, especially with practice. Nothing is going to change the fact that carrying revolver reloads is uncomfortable; its a circular design. But moon clips are the way to go IMO.
4) Speed loaders (faster, harder to carry)
5) Speed strips (slower, easier to carry)
6) Loose rounds (worst of both worlds)
7) Knife
8) Strong language
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seeker_two
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Instead of speed strips, I prefer to use SKS stripper clips. Each clip holds ten rounds, and you can load a revolver as quick (or even quicker, with practice) as a speed strip. Easier to tuck in a pocket or waistband, too.
One thing to consider.....in a home invasion, you may have the ammo for a reload....but you may not have the time to reload. In that case, a second weapon might be a life-saver.
One thing to consider.....in a home invasion, you may have the ammo for a reload....but you may not have the time to reload. In that case, a second weapon might be a life-saver.
scotchman said:
It's been enough for me every time (8 years sheriff deputy) when I needed it, and also enough for a cousin of mine the one time when she needed it.
How many situations have you been in where it wasn't enough?
scotchman said:
Around here the trend is still a single person committing B&E's (breaking and entering) or burglaries. Multiple aggressors are very rare. The FBI crime stats show the same thing. Where are you getting your statistics on the number of multiple vs single break-ins? Links would be helpful.
scotchman said:
Sorry to burst your bubble, but the type of weapon (revolver or semi-auto) you happen to have available if you ever need it is one of the most un-important factors in a self-defense situation and fades to irrelevance. Situational awareness, training, and mindset far overshadow weapon choices.
However, for internet warrior purposes, it is much easier to compare number of bullets, reload times, potential number of aggressors, ammo power (ft-lb), barrier penetration, flatness of trajectory, etc. Carry on.
Most people on here would probably consider a "short barreled shotgun (SBS)" to be less than 18", or a "short barreled rifle (SBR)" to be less than 16", per the standard ATF definitions.
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/national-firearms-act-short-barreled-rifles-shotguns.html
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It may be rare but it happened to my in-laws on Tuesday. Husband out of town, wife out running errands. What we have pieced together so far: Neighbor says two guys knocked on her door asking if they can clean her gutters. They were in a blue pickup with a third person inside. She declines and they move on down the street. They probably knocked on my in-laws house and getting no answer they attempt to break in the front door. Not able to get it open they move to the back yard and break in the house by kicking in the french doors. Another neighbor spots a blue pickup backed up to the front door with a woman standing around smoking a cigarette and assumed it was the maid. They got away with all the jewelry, 2 televisions and all the family silver.
Now, what would have happened had she been home and just not answered the door because she was in the back and didn't hear the bell? It happens all the time when we go over. Have to call on the phone to get her to come to the door. She would have been surprised by three attackers. Were it me confronting them, I would want more than 5 rounds at my disposal. Break into my house and I'll have 17 rounds available to come your way and maybe 34 if I grab the second magazine.
So, it may be rare by your statistics but it does happen.
Break into my house and I'll have at least 5 rounds available depending on where I am. If it comes to the point where I start grabbing magazines they won't be pistol magazines, and I'll have several thousand rounds available.
Somebody denied that it happened? It happened right here in New Orleans east last year:
http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2012/11/eastern_new_orleans_dentists_s.html
We also had a car crash through the front of a house in New Orleans east in almost the same location:
http://www.wwltv.com/news/local/Fam...to-living-room-of-NO-East-home-215049751.html
You think I ought to put up crash bars and spike strips in my front yard to protect me from cars hitting my house?
Some people understand statistics and probabilities, and prepare their responses accordingly.
Some people don't understand them, and carry iron umbrellas in case a meteorite or piece of a space ship falls on their head.
You'll have to decide what's comfortable for you.
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Holy cow, hyperbole much? My point was that it does happen so if it is easy to prepare for something that is possible to happen then why not prepare? Notice I said easy. I've never seen anyone carry an iron umbrella and never seen them sold so a link would be appreciated. If they did I think they would be too heavy and unwieldy if they were to afford any kind of protection from a meteorite. And if it's easy and cheap for you to install crash bars and spike strips then I say go for it. Again, just because it's rare doesn't mean it can't happen to you. I don't think telling my MIL that those kinds of thing rarely happen will make her feel better about loosing all her valuables.
seeker_two
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Hope not....otherwise, how will all those "tactical" gun companies stay in business?....