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Question about my MOA gauranteed rifle
- Thread starter keel86
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A good breakin never hurts. With any of those MOA guaranteed rifles, you still have to keep in mind that it may love one flavor of ammo and totally hate another flavor. While you are breaking it in, use several different brands of ammo with different bullet weights. Stick with the one it likes best.
Mike Irwin
Staff
Seems that this would be a good question to ask over in the Art of the Rifle.
Why don't we go over there?
Ah. Much better.
Why don't we go over there?
Ah. Much better.
precision_shooter
New member
If it came with and MOA guarantee, such as the Tikka T3 or Sako rifles, then it should should to that guarantee right out of the box. The rifles are proven to shoot to that guarantee at the factory before leaving. If they don't pass the test, then they don't leave the factory...
Most rifles with an accuracy guarantee specify that they will shoot MOA with a specific ammunition, for example Black Hills .308 Winchester Match 168 gr SMK, or Federal Premium .223 Remington 68 gr SMK. Most rifles with an accuracy guarantee will shoot pretty well with just about any ammo, it's just that they will shoot best with what they were tuned for.
Keep in mind that their guarantee does not take the skill of the shooter into consideration. If the gun were to be put in a vise and fired, it will probably be an MOA shooter.
If there is a company out there that will guarantee that I will shoot MOA, let me know. I will order one of their rifles today!!!
Most quality guns will be MOA accurate. Its the shooter that turns them into 5 MOA guns!!!
-George
If there is a company out there that will guarantee that I will shoot MOA, let me know. I will order one of their rifles today!!!
Most quality guns will be MOA accurate. Its the shooter that turns them into 5 MOA guns!!!
-George
Just wondering, what rifles have "moa guaranteed" as a selling point these days? Seems like moa is old news.... My stock savage shoots .5moa, and that's a savage. The guarantees that are selling points these days advertise things like .25Moa not 1 moa(gap). My stock $100 marlin 795 does MOA. Seems like Advertising moa these days is like advertising a tv that comes with a wireless remote!
And I understand things like ak47s aren't moa, but that's because they are older style rifles, and aren't meant for accuracy, that's why they aren't advertised as accurate rifles.
And I understand things like ak47s aren't moa, but that's because they are older style rifles, and aren't meant for accuracy, that's why they aren't advertised as accurate rifles.
Art Eatman
Staff in Memoriam
Odds are that there is some "favorite" ammo which lets the rifle meet the guarantee. E.g., my average-one-MOA '06 only gave 4-MOA groups with Winchester White Box. Sub-MOA with some of my handloads.
Given today's tooling, only a little extra care in manufacturing is needed to safely guarantee one MOA...
Given today's tooling, only a little extra care in manufacturing is needed to safely guarantee one MOA...
As far as break in is concerned, ask the gun maker. I've yet to see an actual recommendation to break in a barrel from a gun maker.
imho, just clean the bore before you shoot the first time and then clean as necessary. Repeat until you decide to sell the gun.
Oh and avoid super hot loads.
imho, just clean the bore before you shoot the first time and then clean as necessary. Repeat until you decide to sell the gun.
Oh and avoid super hot loads.
Given today's tooling, only a little extra care in manufacturing is needed to safely guarantee one MOA...
There's alot of truth to this. Although Remington and Savage don't give a garauntee, chances are you can pick up a 700 or 10 out of the box and shoot sub moa with the right ammo. Can't speak for Winchester or Ruger, but I'm sure most of their production rifles are capable of that as well.
trg42wraglefragle
New member
My Tikka was guaranteed sub moa accuracy.
With Remington ammo it was doing about 3" groups at 100yrds, but federal and Hornady it was doing under 1".
I broke in my rifle before I used it.
There's a lot of debates about whether you need to or not, but I did and it didn't seem to hurt it in the slightest.
If you buy a Weatherby gun it'l come with a test target to show the accuracy and will generally say what ammo was used. You can also assume its either already been broken in or id doesn't need it.
With Remington ammo it was doing about 3" groups at 100yrds, but federal and Hornady it was doing under 1".
I broke in my rifle before I used it.
There's a lot of debates about whether you need to or not, but I did and it didn't seem to hurt it in the slightest.
If you buy a Weatherby gun it'l come with a test target to show the accuracy and will generally say what ammo was used. You can also assume its either already been broken in or id doesn't need it.
Re: MOA out of the box
I just recently finished a Remington 700P (.308) project and took it to the range to sight in the scope. I was using Federal Premium with 168gr Sierra Matchking BTHP bullets. After sighting it in the rifle was able to shoot .35, .45, and .30 inch groups at 100 yards shooting off the bipod. I threw in a few Remington 150gr UMC rounds and the groups opened up to around 5 inches. I thought something came loose on the rifle since 150gr isn't that far away from 168gr. I tested a few more rounds of the Federal Premium and shot another .40 inch group. I guess I'll be buying a lot of Federal Premium from now on. I didn't realize that a rifle could be so picky! The groups with the Remington UMC were all over the place, and the Federal Premium was just right on the dot, literally since I was shooting at the Birchwood Casey stick on targets and the Premiums were right on the red. So, when you buy a new sub MOA rifle be sure to try different types of ammo. I don't know what I would of thought if I didn't have the premium ammo with me..
I just recently finished a Remington 700P (.308) project and took it to the range to sight in the scope. I was using Federal Premium with 168gr Sierra Matchking BTHP bullets. After sighting it in the rifle was able to shoot .35, .45, and .30 inch groups at 100 yards shooting off the bipod. I threw in a few Remington 150gr UMC rounds and the groups opened up to around 5 inches. I thought something came loose on the rifle since 150gr isn't that far away from 168gr. I tested a few more rounds of the Federal Premium and shot another .40 inch group. I guess I'll be buying a lot of Federal Premium from now on. I didn't realize that a rifle could be so picky! The groups with the Remington UMC were all over the place, and the Federal Premium was just right on the dot, literally since I was shooting at the Birchwood Casey stick on targets and the Premiums were right on the red. So, when you buy a new sub MOA rifle be sure to try different types of ammo. I don't know what I would of thought if I didn't have the premium ammo with me..
Buzzcook said:I've yet to see an actual recommendation to break in a barrel from a gun maker.
Here is Howa's recommended barrel break in procedure!
http://www.legacysports.com/pdf/NewRifleBreakInProcedure.pdf
I use to have Remington's recommended barrel break in procedure somewhere, I am pretty sure Remington recommends cleaning after every shot for the first hundred shots. (that would get old pretty quickly)
Krieger barrel break in
http://www.kriegerbarrels.com/Break_In__Cleaning-c1246-wp2558.htm
Lilji barrel break in
http://www.riflebarrels.com/support/centerfire_maintenance.htm
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Marquezj16
New member
Good article to read.
http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/minute-of-angle-moa-accuracy-out-of-the-box/
I was looking for a list of MOA guaranteed rifles and found this instead.
http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/minute-of-angle-moa-accuracy-out-of-the-box/
I was looking for a list of MOA guaranteed rifles and found this instead.