Quarter Bore Lovers

Lange said:
Your saying even with the larger bullet and grains its not going to be more wind resistant than .223?
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Yes, most 55 grain .224 bullets have better BC than the 75 grain .257 bullet, and 75-77 grain .224 bullets have better BC than some 115-117 grain .257 bullets. Even though the .223 is slower in the beginning by 500 yards it's shooting almost the same trajectory as the .25-06. It does this with less powder charge and less erosion of the barrel. The .223 will more than double the barrel life of the .25-06, the economy of the .223 for varmints at 500 yards can't be beat.

I would call the .25-06 a better deer rifle than the .243, but only by a slight margin. The deer won't know the difference when hit properly with either. The .243 just has the advantage of better bullets and kicks the .25-06 at long range, and gives up very little to the .25-06 on game at normal hunting ranges.
 
I should add that I would expect a 6.5mm or 260 to outshine a 25-06 although I don't own one. I do own a nice Sauer 202 in 7mm RM that is my favorite of all the rifles I own. And, I will bet I get better performance out of it than you can get from a 260.
 
flashhole said:
The only thing that makes a 223 "better" than a 25-06 for varmints is the low cost of shooting lots of rounds.

My 25-06 is a Ruger #1V. My 223 bolt gun is a Kimber Longmaster Classic. Both are high quality guns and I reload for both so I get the best of the best from both guns. If it's windy the 25 cal outshines the 22 cal by a wide margin. If you need to reach out beyond 300 yards with authority, the 25 cal outshines the 22 cal by a wide margin. There is really no comparison nor should there be with that large a span in caliber.
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I wouldn't call it by a large margin in fact at 500 yards the .224 A-Max with a MV or 2900 fps is almost identical in windage as the .257 SST with a MV of 3100 fps. The A-Max is only 61 fps behind the SST at 500 as well, it does lack almost 400 ft-lbs of energy but prairie dogs to coyotes can't tell the difference. The .25-06 does have less drop at 500 but by less than 1 MOA. So how is there no comparison between the two? I have four .223 Remington rifles

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Quote all the paper tables you want. I invite you to come to New York and we'll put our guns beside one another on the bench and let them determine which is better and by how much.
 
Taylor--run the 90gr. Sierra BK at 3400 fps through JBM and compare it to any bullet you want at realistic velocities in a 223. There are internet sites that claim pretty high velocities for 223 and higher weight bullets, but realistic velocities are determined by referencing load data from manufacturers. Just for comparison. :D
 
Colorado Redneck said:
Taylor--run the 90gr. Sierra BK at 3400 fps through JBM and compare it to any bullet you want at realistic velocities in a 223. There are internet sites that claim pretty high velocities for 223 and higher weight bullets, but realistic velocities are determined by referencing load data from manufacturers. Just for comparison.
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2900 FPS is a realistic speed for the 75 grain A-Max in a bolt action rifle with Varget, Power Pro 2000 and RL-15 and I have load data for all of them. I've actually made that speed with 25 grains of Varget in my .223 Stevens 200 rifle. But since you asked here you go:

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Again there is little difference in wind and elevation between the 75 A-Max vs. .257 caliber bullets. This is why I say regardless of speed BC trumps all. Plus when you couple it with barrel life, the .223 is a far better long range varmint rifle than the .25-06.

I love quarter bores as seen above in my pictures of my rifles. I just know that for varmint shooting I'll take a .223 over the .25-06 any day over the .25-06. Quarter bores are better left to deer, pronghorn hunting and the occasional coyote, not high volume varmint shooting even at 500 yards or beyond.
 
You said the magic words: High Volume. The 22-250 wears me down after 50 rounds or so, and 25-06 would be much worse. No doubt, the 223 is more amenable to shooting up a prairie dog town all day. For coyotes at 500 yards, I don't see any advantage in the 223, given comparable accuracy. My 25-06 will likely never shoot another 75 gr. V-max as long as I own it.

The 270 Winnie is another round that has never received much love for comp shooting.
 
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