Putting my guns on brother's and dad's permits, good idea?

There is no continuity in NY's permit system.

Some counties still issue a piece of paper. Some counties have "credit card" permits. Some counties will issue a "ticket" for purchasing a new handgun in the future with the only criteria being that you have it added to your permit within 10 days of purchase, other counties will not allow you to pick up the gun until it is purchased and added to your permit and they take up to 2 weeks to add the gun. Some counties issue ONLY "unrestricted" (concealed carry) permits, some won't issue CC for any reason. Some will issue permits in a matter of days, some exceed the 6 month legal time limit. Some counties will not allow the same firearms to be listed on multiple permits, some don't care at all.

The whole system is the definition of "arbitrary and capricious"
 
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Wow, I didn't realize just how arbitrary the NYS system is. Monroe County (Rochester and environs) issues only unrestricted (that I've heard of) permits. Mine took nine months two years ago. You have to purchase the gun, then go to the County clerk with the receipt to get the stamp/coupon and then pick up your gun. This makes it a chore to buy a gun at any distance to you. Some LGS around here will send you the invoice before you pick up the gun, so you can go to the clerk's office first. Livingston County gives you 10 coupons when you first get your permit. Broome County (Binghamton) gives out restricted permits, like for just home and target range. I don't know how varied this is on Broome. I've heard of a judge in Wayne County, just east of Monroe and more rural, that takes up to a year and hands out restricted permits. I find that surprising in that you'd think Wayne had a lot of gun people.

I'm sure that the application of self defense laws is similarly varied. There were two trials in Monroe a couple of years ago where both people were acquitted, although I'm not so sure they should have been.
 
Broome County (Binghamton) gives out restricted permits, like for just home and target range. I don't know how varied this is on Broome.
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I'm in Broome County. The current judge was the first to issue Unrestricted permits in any quantity. He started out slow. You basically had to have a good reason and you had to write a letter to the judge explaining why. I have it on good authority (sheriffs deputy) that he now issues them in almost all cases that they're requested.

I don't know how much the informational aspect has changed but the processing office used to give out incorrect information, in writing. They had a whole packet of stuff they gave you that included several "interesting" tid-bits, such as claiming that it is illegal to transport your handguns interstate without shipping them to an FFL at your destination.:rolleyes:
 
The system is even arbitrary among similar applicants, depending where you're at (and is known to be preferential to those with connections).

In Erie County (western NY, Buffalo + suburbs), it took me right around the 6-months mark to get mine, while it took a friend who applied at the exact same time (who's also military) a whole year to get his.

Erie Co. uses a plastic card that looks like most other states', except for the registration list on the back. For us, we had to purchase a gun with a letter saying we had been granted permits, but would not be issued the actual permit (and could not take possession of the gun from the dealer) until the first gun was registered to the permit.

Due to that inanity, many in Erie Co. register guns from family or friends' permits when they first apply so they don't have to buy something right away. It was suggested during the required safety course as a good method for obtaining the permit, although one had to be careful as one of the surrounding counties (can't remember if it was Niagara, Genessee, or Wyoming) only allowed you to register 10 handguns maximum on your permit (the class covered several counties' requirements).
 
Niagara County has now gone to plastic cards, as well. Much more durable.

As for listing guns on other permits, during several conversations with the local permit office, it's generally not recommended (or allowed, depending on circumstances) to have a gun on multiple permits UNLESS you are living under the same roof. I'm sure there are exceptions, but call them yourself and ask.

They're very helpful.
 
That's interesting. Erie County, from what I've heard, doesn't seem to have an issue with different residences. Supposedly you can even co-register with permit holders from other counties, so long as their counties allow it.

At least, that's what I was told at the class I took (over a year ago).
 
it's generally not recommended (or allowed, depending on circumstances) to have a gun on multiple permits UNLESS you are living under the same roof.
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I have family spread out all over western NY, and have most of my handguns listed on their permits, we've never had a clerk even question the county of residence. The most they have done is verify identities and relationship.
 
Suffolk County NY will NOT list a handgun on two permits. There were two many issues of them being sucked into divorce proceedings when couples split up and fought over who owned the gun.
 
There were two many issues of them being sucked into divorce proceedings when couples split up and fought over who owned the gun
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Right, because this doesn't happen to any other property. And Suffolk County is special in having this problem, unlike all the counties north of it that don't have a problem.

Apparently they have never heard of the receipt or the NICs check that make it quite clear who bought the gun.
 
When I purchase a new gun the dealer does a NICS check, then gives me some paperwork I take with me on the half hour trip to the county sheriff's office. They put it on my permit ($3 fee) then I can go and pick up the gun.
 
Right, because this doesn't happen to any other property. And Suffolk County is special in having this problem, unlike all the counties north of it that don't have a problem.
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Actually, that's how I know about it and why I posted.

My ex and I didn't have any arguments over who was getting which gun, BUT the permit office insisted that we not keep them on each other's permit while residing at different addresses. Our plan was to keep them on both permits, so they might be passed on to our daughters without a hassle.

The permit office, polite though they were, thought otherwise.

As I said before, just call and ask. This is a great forum, but it's only a forum. Ask the people tasked with enforcing the laws in your area. You might be surprised.
 
Bird_dog, what county are you in?
I have no idea if any counties allow them on the same permit if the addresses are different; it has never come up. From their viewpoint, I can understand why they wouldn't like it.
 
Niagara County -- nothing but good things to say about the Permit Office here. Just relaying a personal experience.
 
nothing but good things to say about the Permit Office here
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I think that's pretty much true in all of Western NY and Southern Tier. No one likes the NY laws, but it's no where near as bad as it is downstate. I wish people wouldn't confuse us with UBB - United Boroughs of Bloomberg.
 
I couldn't agree more GJS.

I've hunted a lot in northern Maine over the years, and when I'm asked where I'm from I always get some version of "so, how are things in the big city, anyway?" If they knew the small farm town where I was born, raised, and to which I've returned, they would laugh.

To some people, however, NY is NY.
 
I've been asked if I worked in NYC, even though the person knew I lived in Rochester, which is seven hours away. Apparently the rest of the state is one big parking lot for NYC. I'm sure it would floor them to know that Dairy is one of the biggest industries on NY State.
 
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