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Bill asked if we dismiss all of those who voted in favor law found to be unconstitutional.
YES. We do so because those who are responsible for making laws need be be experts as far as the Constitution is concerned. It's not like the BoR is exceedingly long.
The issue of child porn got thrown in and I feel the need to comment on it.
It may very well be in the realm of free speech seeing as how adults are allowed to participate in porn, but it is not unconstitutional to get a warrant to investigate wether or not the children were harmed in any. There is nothing in the BoR that protects the abuse of children. If the investigation reveals that the child has been traumatized, raped, drugged or what have you, then the child's right to be secure within her person (4A needs to apply to all who can cause harm, not just government) has been violated and somebody needs some time in prison.
If the investigation reveals that the girl was willing (and dare say enjoying) in the making of said porn, then there is no crime because there was no tyranny against the girl even if her parents think whoever was involved needs to be locked up.
Another example. There has been much ballyhoo over the whole sharing of music thing. Record labels and artists who aren't being paid their asking price have lost money by theft. Copyright and the defense against theft was covered by Article 1, section 8...to promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries.
The artists (inventors of the music), song writers (authors) and record companies (legal owners of said art when purchased by contract) have the option of asking for an investigation that must have an official warrant. Upon discovery of intent to defraud all complaining parties charges may be pressed by the complaining parties, whereby a jury trial will be had to detiermine innocence or guilt of the accused. If found guilty then punishment as prescribed by law will required.
Our Constitution and BoR cover most of the things that involve our daily living. Granted new laws have had to be created to keep up with modern times (cars, airplanes, rockets, etc) and that is all good, but there had better be some serious study on the part of the law makers to insure that they are not infringing the rights of the people. Because if they don't there may be hell to pay when they are found to have knowingly and willfully passed a law that is in violation of the people's god given rights.
I keep a copy of the supreme law at my desk. Politicans need to as well. Police need to read the BoR before going on duty every day and judges better have it memorized. Then we can get to work on insuring all have liberty uninfrindged.
YES. We do so because those who are responsible for making laws need be be experts as far as the Constitution is concerned. It's not like the BoR is exceedingly long.
The issue of child porn got thrown in and I feel the need to comment on it.
It may very well be in the realm of free speech seeing as how adults are allowed to participate in porn, but it is not unconstitutional to get a warrant to investigate wether or not the children were harmed in any. There is nothing in the BoR that protects the abuse of children. If the investigation reveals that the child has been traumatized, raped, drugged or what have you, then the child's right to be secure within her person (4A needs to apply to all who can cause harm, not just government) has been violated and somebody needs some time in prison.
If the investigation reveals that the girl was willing (and dare say enjoying) in the making of said porn, then there is no crime because there was no tyranny against the girl even if her parents think whoever was involved needs to be locked up.
Another example. There has been much ballyhoo over the whole sharing of music thing. Record labels and artists who aren't being paid their asking price have lost money by theft. Copyright and the defense against theft was covered by Article 1, section 8...to promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries.
The artists (inventors of the music), song writers (authors) and record companies (legal owners of said art when purchased by contract) have the option of asking for an investigation that must have an official warrant. Upon discovery of intent to defraud all complaining parties charges may be pressed by the complaining parties, whereby a jury trial will be had to detiermine innocence or guilt of the accused. If found guilty then punishment as prescribed by law will required.
Our Constitution and BoR cover most of the things that involve our daily living. Granted new laws have had to be created to keep up with modern times (cars, airplanes, rockets, etc) and that is all good, but there had better be some serious study on the part of the law makers to insure that they are not infringing the rights of the people. Because if they don't there may be hell to pay when they are found to have knowingly and willfully passed a law that is in violation of the people's god given rights.
I keep a copy of the supreme law at my desk. Politicans need to as well. Police need to read the BoR before going on duty every day and judges better have it memorized. Then we can get to work on insuring all have liberty uninfrindged.