Pump vs Semi-Auto SPEED!

The fastest shotgun I've ever shot was my M12-M1. For me it was quicker than my no disconnecter 20 ga 37.
 
Remington Model 11 semi-auto. If it shot fast enough for Bonnie and Clyde (and the US Military in WWII) it's fast enough for me.
 
There is no autoloader as fast as a Model 12 in the hands of someone who knows how to shoot a Model 12. The simple reason is that the Model 12 has no disconnector. All you have to do is hold the trigger back and shuck the cob. With practice, you can do it fast and accurate.

That feature isn't unique to the Model 12. It is also found on the Winchester Model 97, Ithaca Model 37 (not sure about the Remington 17 and 31), Stevens 520 and 620, and some of the "house" brand guns based on these designs.
 
satterwhite

I saw a very old video of SATTERWHITE on exhibition shoots, and to break his own pump record for hand thrown clays he used a semi.

One of our guys had contact w/ him and he sent the tape himself. Great guy.
 
It is the inertial semi-auto Bennelli that I am calling fast
Then,there are folks,like McGivern and Miculek with handguns,that are amazing.
 
Check out this hyperlink. This is an article copyrighted in 2003. There may have been developments since then that makes the data obsolete, but I was mostly interested in what this guy said back in 2003 about Auto 5's (since I have a Remington Model 11 which is practically the same John Browning-designed gun). What's amazing to me is that a gun that was designed before the turn of the 20th century was still spoken of as a fast-operating gun, and was still among the fastest autoloaders today - well, as of 2003 anyway - although it was clearly no longer THE fastest.

http://74.6.239.67/search/cache?ei=...W&icp=1&.intl=us&sig=vRnp5PQXJOTTbGDJE5euEg--
 
Yeah, I recall reading that when it came out. Good read.

The only rub is the A-5 (and make no mistake- I lOVE A-5's) recoil pretty hard- there's a lot moving around on them. I'd still love to snag one, though.
It says a lot for a 105 year old design that still can get it done.
 
Oh yeah, A-5's and Model 11's are bruisers for sure. Fine for hunting, and for a limited amount of shooting, but not an everyday skeet shooter. Fifteen or so rounds into shooting mine and I have a badly bruised shoulder. Then I can't shoot it again for two or three weeks. But these guns can be tamed a little by some adjustments you can make according to the type of loads you use. Instructions for how to do this came inside the forearm of my gun. You can also replace the hard plastic butt plate (which is the only plastic part of this gun) with a recoil pad, but I can't bring myself to do it to my completely original Model 11, manufactured in 1938. I know the A-5 is the ultimate gun that people want because it has the name Browning on it, but if you can't find one, the Remington Model 11 is a nearly identical gun (if you can live without a magazine cutoff which is the only real difference between these guns). These days you can find Remington Model 11's rollmarked with their famous duck and pheasant hunting scene in very good to excellent condition that will probably last for another 100 years selling for $200-$250 - an incredible value considering the quality of these guns, and a deal that can't last forever.
 
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I was discussing this a couple of years ago with a dog trainer out in PA. His response was "Semi , the Benelli. Want to see?" "Yep", I said.
Three rounds (that's the way the gun was set up to be legal in PA), the hulls all in the air at the same time. Sounded like one long blast.
As partial as I am to pumps, I was impressed.

Pete
 
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